The Kashmir conflict 2025.

bsdnf

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It is to my opinion that PL15E does not have dual pulse. I remember seeing academic paper here on SDF. If all propellants burnt without pause you get 145-150km.
No, it is a dual-pulse, but the range is reduced. The deputy director of the AVIC Air-to-Air Missile Research Institute made this clear in an interview with a magazine at the 2022 Zhuhai Air Show.
 

enroger

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Yankee also confirmed that J-10C and JF-17 could network with Eyrie Eye. Since KJ-500 wasn’t yet available for export Pakistan asked China to help integrate the systems, and China did.

I wonder if the integration works allowed Eyrie Eye to guide the PL-15E's via datalink. Some wild conjectures:

1, Indian pilots assumed they were in safe distance given their experience with amraam yet unaware of PL-15E capabilities.

2, PL-15E's were guided by datalink and no fire control lock, Indian pilots were oblivious until missile went pitbull. If they had awac support their awac should be able to warn them of approaching missiles, but then it is possible awacs were under EW suppression.

3, It is possible both J-10CE radar and PL-15E seeker are using some sort of LPI mode that the French avionic suit were not able to pick up on.

Whatever the real scenarios were this event is a treasure trove for both Chinese and western intelligence. I won't worry about it leaking Chinese capabilities too much though as things changes so fast in the electronics front whatever intel gathered would be obsolete in the next conflict
 

siegecrossbow

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I wonder if the integration works allowed Eyrie Eye to guide the PL-15E's via datalink. Some wild conjectures:

1, Indian pilots assumed they were in safe distance given their experience with amraam yet unaware of PL-15E capabilities.

2, PL-15E's were guided by datalink and no fire control lock, Indian pilots were oblivious until missile went pitbull. If they had awac support their awac should be able to warn them of approaching missiles, but then it is possible awacs were under EW suppression.

3, It is possible both J-10CE radar and PL-15E seeker are using some sort of LPI mode that the French avionic suit were not able to pick up on.

Whatever the real scenarios were this event is a treasure trove for both Chinese and western intelligence. I won't worry about it leaking Chinese capabilities too much though as things changes so fast in the electronics front whatever intel gathered would be obsolete in the next conflict

One advantage that PL-15 has that Meteor doesn’t is that it has dual data link. That is not speculation either, but placard information from Zhuhai Airshow 2022 or 2021. This allows a lot of flexibility in guiding the weapon. AESA radars do have LPI mode, but Rafale should be able to detect incoming projectiles via heat signature as well. Maybe they didn’t operate properly?
 

Tomboy

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One advantage that PL-15 has that Meteor doesn’t is that it has dual data link. That is not speculation either, but placard information from Zhuhai Airshow 2022 or 2021. This allows a lot of flexibility in guiding the weapon. AESA radars do have LPI mode, but Rafale should be able to detect incoming projectiles via heat signature as well. Maybe they didn’t operate properly?
IR/UV based MAWS only work at relatively close range, most likely missile had already gone active
 

FishWings

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I wonder if the integration works allowed Eyrie Eye to guide the PL-15E's via datalink. Some wild conjectures:

1, Indian pilots assumed they were in safe distance given their experience with amraam yet unaware of PL-15E capabilities.

2, PL-15E's were guided by datalink and no fire control lock, Indian pilots were oblivious until missile went pitbull. If they had awac support their awac should be able to warn them of approaching missiles, but then it is possible awacs were under EW suppression.

3, It is possible both J-10CE radar and PL-15E seeker are using some sort of LPI mode that the French avionic suit were not able to pick up on.

Whatever the real scenarios were this event is a treasure trove for both Chinese and western intelligence. I won't worry about it leaking Chinese capabilities too much though as things changes so fast in the electronics front whatever intel gathered would be obsolete in the next conflict
Right on. Not only is there domestic PL-15 (which by now almost certainly has numerous iterative upgrades), there is PL-16 and PL-17, and of course upcoming PL-21.
 

Rafi

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The global supply chain shift to India will be successfully curtailed by India. No Chinese interference needed.

Please don’t be so heartless, we are Pakistani we are a warrior people, we don’t want war, but if war is imposed on us then we will fight and give a good account, but many young men (and women) will have to die, including civilians, this is not a joke.
 
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