The Kashmir conflict 2025.

siegecrossbow

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If a Su-30 was shot down in 2019 it would have been kind of a big deal, since it would have been the first A2A loss of a Flanker (and a relatively modern one at that).

But either way, regardless of whether or not a Su-30 was shot down in 2019, its lacking performance against JF-17s and F-16s still exposed its vulnerabilities, which shattered the myth of it being the dominant A2A platform in the subcontinent; Su-35S and Su-30SM getting shot down by Ukrainian S-300s or Buk-M1s probably didn't help to redeem its image, even though not one of those were confirmed lost in A2A combat.

MiG-29s getting trounced in air combat against every other 4th generation fighter (including Su-27/30/35), however, does make it a non-surprise in this instance, and indeed, well yeah that happens.

Are you telling me that the Ghost of Kiev isn’t real? What’s next? Santa’s not real either? Then who is sitting next to the General Secretary in this photo?

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CaribouTruth

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I think the 125 planes in the sky might just be inevitable hyperbole or some twisting of the facts to fit the number. Perhaps they mean the total number of bogeys detected throughout the night/early morning strikes and not individual planes flying all at once.

Its either that or atrocious mission planning by the IAF to send over 4 fighter squadron at once, for relatively non-resistive standoff strikes.
 

siegecrossbow

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Indian Army is actually a pioneer in usage of small drones (DJI as well as fixed wing). They actually had higher concentration of small drones than Western Theater Command back in 2020 despite the latter’s advantage in sheer fire power and mechanization. If they leverage that properly it could mean major head aches for the Pakistan military.
 

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All of these developments, as well as the surrounding claims and counter-claims, point to the confusion that is very typical when dealing with the heat of combat. With that in mind, it remains possible that at least some of these apparent losses were accidents, or perhaps blue-on-blue incidents. The involvement of surface-to-air missiles also shouldn’t be ruled out at this stage.
And while the loss of a Rafale, especially to a Chinese-designed fighter, if confirmed, would be a huge propaganda win for Pakistan and, to some degree, China, the reality is that modern air combat is far more than a simple fighter-versus-fighter affair. In the long run, other aspects, including training, munitions, networking, airborne early warning, electronic warfare, tactics, and much more, will play into successes and failures. With that in mind, even the combat loss of a Rafale doesn’t make that aircraft a dud, which is good news for the Indian Navy, too, since this service recently had an order for the carrier-based version of the fighter signed off.

Yes, IAF crashed a batch of jets overnight all by themselves, all due to friendly fire & maintenance issues. Nothing to do with Dassault & China. Even some were indeed shot down by PAF, it's all Indian's incompetence, doesn't reflect weapon capacity. :rolleyes:

When Russian multiple A-50s crashed, or vessel Moskva sunk, TWZ chose to believe Ukrainians’ missile-strike statements, instead of Russian Defense Ministry's claims of friendly fire, maintenance, cigarette fires, etc. Can tell that from article titles. :p

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Shadowdancer

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Speaking of last December's CHAD maiden flight, recall the Indian meltdowns it inflicted on Twitter?







Not too sure, but from the looks of it, things will likely only get worse for the collective Jai Hind psyche before it gets any better. :p

There's a reasonable chance the J-35 will enter Pakistani service before the end of the decade, especially as both ongoing tensions and "the recent triumph" may allow the PAF to secure more funding than previously expected.

How will our Indian bhais cope or otherwise manage come 2028 or 2029 should the J-35 begin to enter PAF service while the IAF remains limited to its current bunch of "5th generation minus" fighters?! o_O
if J-10C is good enough to deter all fighter jets in current IAF arsenal, there's no reason for PAF to get any other model of fighters. unless India managed to get F-35 or EF-2000.
 
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