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RoastGooseHKer

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I think this is where North Korea would come in, as a bad cop, to threaten to nuke Japan if they moved towards developing nuclear weapons, whilst China would step in as the good cop to defuse the crisis and retain the nuclear status quo with some assurances for Japan and North Korea
The problem is NK's nuclear threat is never credible unless it is related to Kim's own survival. Everyone knows that it would be the end of NK as it is should Pyongyang ever use nukes in an offensive manner.
 

mack8

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Actually, should a US-Japan split occur, the biggest worry for China would be Japan seeking its own nuclear deterrence. That would put Beijing in a complicated spot of maybe having to choose whether to conduct a preventive war against Japan to coerce Japan from going nuclear (Israeli approach to Iran), or recognising Japan as a nuclear state with the hope of pushing US out of Asia. However, this would mean recognising Japan as another great power at China's doorstep. For China, whilst the US is the biggest geopolitical rival mainly from a material sense (and many Chinese actually respect the US due to its history, culture, political ideology, prosperity, etc.), a nuclear-armed Japan would be both a historical nemesis (ideology plus historical memories) and geopolitical rival. Or Beijing could try to work with Washington as part of a great power concert to try to preserve the status quo, but such approach would be difficult to pass the US Congress.
Actually, imo a nuclear armed but fully independent Japan that has kicked out the US occupation forces is better for China, that having the US occupation forces at China's doorstep and controlling the meek Japan of now. There is some very bad history between the two countries, it is true, but if both side are willing they could get over that and strike a mutually beneficial balance. Asia for asians and all that. Besides, no harm in directing the dormant samurai spirit towards the Pacific and payback for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, to the regretable detriment of US hegemony.

For the same reasons, a united nuclear armed Korea is better for China than the current situation. Anything that drives the US military forces away from China's border is better than the current situation imo.

Imagining for a minute this scenario might be possible, you have for instance the 3 major shipbuilding powers of the world on more or less the same side against the US. The US will be finished as a Pacific power then. This not to mention the overall economic factors, on one hand China dwarfs both SK and Japan economically and it will continue to do so even in the best cases scenario for SK and Japan, but on the other hand, since Japan's economy growth is suffocated by the US boot, without that boot their economy might explode with growth, maybe just like in the good old days of the 1980s. Which is good for leaving the US further behind economically and good for cementing Asia as one THE major and biggest world economic pole. Multipolar world and all that.
 

tygyg1111

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Actually, imo a nuclear armed but fully independent Japan that has kicked out the US occupation forces is better for China, that having the US occupation forces at China's doorstep and controlling the meek Japan of now. There is some very bad history between the two countries, it is true, but if both side are willing they could get over that and strike a mutually beneficial balance. Asia for asians and all that. Besides, no harm in directing the dormant samurai spirit towards the Pacific and payback for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, to the regretable detriment of US hegemony.

For the same reasons, a united nuclear armed Korea is better for China than the current situation. Anything that drives the US military forces away from China's border is better than the current situation imo.

Imagining for a minute this scenario might be possible, you have for instance the 3 major shipbuilding powers of the world on more or less the same side against the US. The US will be finished as a Pacific power then. This not to mention the overall economic factors, on one hand China dwarfs both SK and Japan economically and it will continue to do so even in the best cases scenario for SK and Japan, but on the other hand, since Japan's economy growth is suffocated by the US boot, without that boot their economy might explode with growth, maybe just like in the good old days of the 1980s. Which is good for leaving the US further behind economically and good for cementing Asia as one THE major and biggest world economic pole. Multipolar world and all that.
A nuclear armed Japan, especially one with a revived economy, would aim to become the regional hegemon. The US is today's challenge half a planet away; you don't want tomorrow's challenge to emerge right next door.

The best outcome would be for the US to drain SK and Japan for many more years until only a very anti-American husk is left, a husk that can be very easily incorporated into China's network.
 

another505

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I don't see the joke here. It is literally true. The Vatican is just another Western state after all, and like all other Western states, it is politically infiltrated and under the US total control.
considering american bishops were much against the late Pope Francis and one of them was even excommunicated. Trump was even admonished in his frist term by Francis regarding the mexican wall, immigration and climate. You need to actually follow some news instead of blindly making stuff up within your world view
 

GZDRefugee

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Actually, imo a nuclear armed but fully independent Japan that has kicked out the US occupation forces is better for China, that having the US occupation forces at China's doorstep and controlling the meek Japan of now. There is some very bad history between the two countries, it is true, but if both side are willing they could get over that and strike a mutually beneficial balance. Asia for asians and all that. Besides, no harm in directing the dormant samurai spirit towards the Pacific and payback for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, to the regretable detriment of US hegemony.

For the same reasons, a united nuclear armed Korea is better for China than the current situation. Anything that drives the US military forces away from China's border is better than the current situation imo.

Imagining for a minute this scenario might be possible, you have for instance the 3 major shipbuilding powers of the world on more or less the same side against the US. The US will be finished as a Pacific power then. This not to mention the overall economic factors, on one hand China dwarfs both SK and Japan economically and it will continue to do so even in the best cases scenario for SK and Japan, but on the other hand, since Japan's economy growth is suffocated by the US boot, without that boot their economy might explode with growth, maybe just like in the good old days of the 1980s. Which is good for leaving the US further behind economically and good for cementing Asia as one THE major and biggest world economic pole. Multipolar world and all that.
Historically, what has happened each time Japan had any significant military power? I assure you, Japanese soldiers did not join hands in song and dance. NOBODY in the West Pacific wants to see Japan with any semblance of military power.
 

Eventine

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Japan is a nation of geriatrics. People are worried over nothing. Demographics determine a nation’s outlook, and the Japanese population pyramid looks like a funnel. It can neither be independent of the US nor amount to much if it did.

I’ll worry about Japan when their TFR is above 2.1 again. Until then it’s just concern trolling. Japan will never send their young to war when they barely have any & need those they do have for life support.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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