Trump 2.0 official thread

[Captainquirk]

?? Pretty obvious.
Touting much less beneficial deal than what Trump wanted before, in order to save face for the Trump regime and playing it like a win by saying the original pro US deal "would've made Ukrainians resentful" in the far future when things are unpredictable, is the very definition of mental gymnastics.

Sure, if we ignore everything that happens after next week. But is the US in it for the short term?

In the long term: US gets preferential access to Ukraine's resources. Isn't that the core objective

 

[manqiangrexue]

Sure, if we ignore everything that happens after next week.

You don't know what happens after the next week. They've not started doing anything. Is Ukraine going to be allowed by Russia to stay a sovereign country? One notable thing that the US absolutely refused to give Ukraine in the deal was security guarantees. It means that it can provide weapons, but when Ukraine continues to be taken apart by Russia, America will not fight.

But is the US in it for the short term?

Absolutely LOL. That is the definition of the US. That's why they started a trade war with China that Bessent said was unsustainable. For China, it's very sustainable.

In the long term: US gets preferential access to Ukraine's resources. Isn't that the core objective

That was a given under Brandon. But also, we dont' even know what preferential access means. Better prices? How steep the discount? First dibs on what comes up? Preferential to whom? To Ukraine itself, which will need its resources, or to everyone other than Ukraine?

 

[Mt1701d]

If the deal in its original form was signed, it would've been a bad deal..........for America in the long run. It would've made Ukrainians resentful of America, and overtime push them towards Russia or China.

The relationship wouldn’t have been a problem at all, if not for Trump and his stupid ‘art of the deal’ BS. The US could have demanded fair repayment and mineral rights without pissing the Ukrainians off in the first place. So in order to even get to this scenario was a lost in the first place.

If you were going to go hard on the deal then you should have gotten more out of it, and not just a pretty standard agreement, after the US has basically invested billions already. Remember that this deal doesn’t even mention the ‘aid’ already given

The modified deal is a much better one. Ukraine is now fully under U.S sphere of influence. Win for Ukraine cause thats also what they want.

Win for US, since US secured a host of advantages that goes beyond minerals, gas, oil, etc....

I am reiterating but, Ukrainians were already onboard with the US, they were aiming for NATO membership for god’s sake

Win for US, what win? They crashed the relationship only to then have to rebuild the relationship. This was a pure win for Ukraine, they basically got the initial debt forgiven and then tied the US into supporting them while not really giving anything more then what most people would expect them to have to give.

Just in case you missed the most important point, this whole joint development means f**k all if the war doesn’t stop. So now Trump has to go and probably give whatever concessions the Russians want in order to stop the war, so this deal will have any f**king meaning. So yea a major big WIN for Ukraine and Russia.

Shoot for the stars, land on the moon. Had Trump just asked for this deal from the onset, he might've received something less.

Had Trump not f**ked over his relationship with Ukraine, he would have had a much stronger position in his negotiations anyway and likely would have gotten more regardless.

This is like going to the supermarket and seeing a discounted item thinking it was a great deal, while not realising the price has been jacked up before the discount was applied.

And you know what funny in this, Trump was the one who cause the price to be jacked up and then he settled for the original price and called it a discount. Art of the deal right?

 

[Mt1701d]

Sure, if we ignore everything that happens after next week. But is the US in it for the short term?

In the long term: US gets preferential access to Ukraine's resources. Isn't that the core objective

Well the US has to be in it now, both short and long term, with even more than it has before, it has to make the deal actually mean something.

And it wasn’t the objective, the objective would have been to ensure they could recover the aid provided via the mineral rights, not to have to invest even more just to get the mineral rights.

 

[Sinnavuuty]

It's pathetic enough that the US tried bully Ukraine, a country that started on the terms, "Sign this or you're Russian now," but what's sadder is that Trump actually failed to bully them! The end deal was nowhere near what Trump wanted. That's like selling a spare tire to a guy with a flat during a zombie apocalypse and somehow ending up on fair market price LOLOL

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"Ukrainian officials touted the final accord as an equal partnership between Kyiv and Washington – a notable shift from some of the earlier drafts which were described by Ukraine’s leader President Volodymyr Zelensky as the US asking him to “sell my country.”

The signed deal, seen by CNN, does indeed appear to be more favorable to Ukraine than some of the previous versions.

Crucially, the deal does not call for Kyiv to reimburse the US for the aid it has already received – a key concession from Trump who has long framed the agreement as Ukraine “paying back” the US.

Washington initially demanded a $500 billion share of Ukraine’s rare earths and other minerals in exchange for the aid it has already provided to Kyiv. When Zelensky rejected that idea, Trump called him “a dictator.”

The Great Leader, DJT, every day of your administration is a diplomatic victory.

Make America Great Again!!!

The latest MAGA victory is the demotion of Michael Waltz to UN Ambassador with Marco Rubio doubling as Acting National Security Advisor.

 

[Eventine]

An example of this in action is this crazy fool below

I once had the impression that this person was a reasonably informed channel that had some enjoyable content but the moment Trump got in, it seems he has quickly and utterly lost the plot. He honestly thinks the whole process of tariffs is a case of no pain no gain and in a way it seems given that he sits behind the key board and as I sense probably doesn’t even do much shopping for groceries, he doesn’t seem to realize that the majority of Americas rely on these Chinese good for survival and the ability to reroute all these industries to America only would take years and lots of money, man power and resources to make sure a thing happens. If Amazon or Walmart goes, the USA is going to suffer real pain and then we need to see if these YouTubers and their commenters will have the stones to survive off the bare minimum due to supply shortages of the like that is going to be permanent given the current levels of stupidity. Even the data in regards to shipping showing the drop off, these fat punks cannot take much pain to fold if the nation truly falls apart, it really shows how arrogant and uneducated these people really are

I don't think you get the fascist movement that MAGA is.

Fascist movements are built on resentment. They appeal to people who are already suffering. The emotions that define fascism are "anger" and "hate" - when people are caught up in those emotions, they don't really care if they get hurt, they just want to hurt others.

There is a large fraction of Americans who have been - in their minds - left behind by the "liberal international order" and who, in turn, just want to see it all torn down. That's why they elected Trump. They want to see the world burn. Only then can they quench their thirst for blood and vengeance. Like the demon Mephastophilis said to Dr. Faust, "misery loves company."

 

[Barefoot]

I'm thinking, right, now bare with me, i'm thinking the plan is to dump Zionist Israel down the line, perhaps after Israel nukes Iran or something and gets nuked back, then, because America is a God fearing country of the purest form and all that, the US will ally itself to Muslim countries (and the right-wing Nationalist Hindus), especially the Gulf monarchies that buy all them US jets etc, and unify in a war against Godless Chyna, because why not, eh.

Somehow, and i know it seems ridiculous now, but consider how dumb most populations are, somehow Trump is gonna convince the Muslim haters that the Muslims are their best friends, that the US has always been best friends forever with Muslims, many Muslims will agree of course, and they'll all join in the fight against communism, cuz communism is Godless (Meanwhile Europe will still be squabbling over who is gonna be the first one to send troops to Ukraine, and Russia will wonder whether they should be on God's side).

Acktually! There is no need to dump Zionist Israel (isnt there something about American Christians supporting Israel because they think it will lead to the death of the Jews and they want that because they killed Jesus?), they already have Syria's new alQaeda leadership partnering with Israel, most monarchies are already friends with Zionist Israel. So anyway ...

God against communism, i'm calling it now, that's gonna be the tweet before too long. And thank God, cuz i know communism is gonna win this fight (please God, make it so)

Trump: "We're bringing back religion in our country and we're bringing it back quickly and strongly — because for America to be a great nation, we must always be One Nation Under God."

There's also something about setting up a Religious Liberty Commission (and i dont really understand any of those three words)

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Making America great again with God's help? - i mean Jesus fucking Christ, and may God give me strength!

 

[Maikeru]

So this just happened:

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"Trump's comments are clearly directed at China, which is importing more than 1 million barrels per day from Iran, said Scott Modell, CEO of consulting firm Rapidan Energy. Modell said U.S. sanctions are unlikely to have an impact on Iranian oil flowing to China unless the White House targets Beijing's state-owned enterprises and infrastructure."

Opportunity to really clarify where China stands in the trade war?

 

[iewgnem]

So this just happened:

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"Trump's comments are clearly directed at China, which is importing more than 1 million barrels per day from Iran, said Scott Modell, CEO of consulting firm Rapidan Energy. Modell said U.S. sanctions are unlikely to have an impact on Iranian oil flowing to China unless the White House targets Beijing's state-owned enterprises and infrastructure."

Opportunity to really clarify where China stands in the trade war?

Well I guess it's time for China to comply with US sanctions and shutdown all US businesses in China, i.e. Apple, Tesla, etc.

 

[Mt1701d]

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Exclusive: Ryanair threatens to cancel huge Boeing order if tariffs raise prices​

Is this more winning?

Tho, Ryanair may not have a choice in the end, but the fact that it is even contemplating it, is telling.