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The Central Plains were secured however not through Confucian culture or doctrine but by Qin conquering all the other states. Every single Chinese imperial dynasty gained power and legitimacy through military conquest of its rivals. Only after it had achieved armed reunification of at least the central core of traditional territory did attempts generally shift to civil achievements and retrospective attempts to justify its rise to power over the previous clearly immoral incumbents (as they could only have lost the Mandate of Heaven that way). Certainly some dynasties fell quickly because they continued to push military and state projects too quickly and too hard, but all dynasties came to power that way. None came to universal power within the Sinosphere through purely recognition by other states or contenders. The most was a rival voluntarily surrendering and being absorbed in return for mercy and maybe a noble position and income for the rest of their life.
Is this AI or for real?
I thought AI but then ive just seen a pic with President Trump, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, Keir Starmer and Emmanuel Macron meeting together at the Vatican in the same room/decor
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Times have changed. Formulaic applications of history are futile—like “carving a boat to mark where your sword fell into the river” (刻舟求剑). Understand this: modern society requires not conquest through war but cultural competition—mutual integration where common ground is sought amidst differences. Chinese culture shares overlapping values with Christianity, Catholicism, and Islam.
China’s advantage lies in possessing humanity’s most reliable and continuous historical records. Studying these successes and failures exposes the absurd traps of modern geopolitical rivalry. These are no secrets—Western arrogance and bias simply ignore or distort them.
Once China surpasses America in national strength and governance, the world will study its success, seeking reasons for their own failures. Only by deeply understanding Chinese culture and logic will they devise countermeasures. Yet herein lies China’s trap: those who truly grasp historical lessons and adopt Chinese-style thinking will realize their own civilizational flaws.
Western civilization’s core is plunder-based culture (land or maritime predation of others’ wealth), while China’s foundation is agricultural culture (building homelands). Historically, the Chinese survived nomadic invasions (also plunder-based) by out-developing them—creating new wealth until conquerors were either expelled or assimilated. Chinese culture endures.
Western civilization, dominant since the Age of Exploration, now crumbles after just 400 years. Its predatory essence persists, merely cloaked in sophistication. Today, America must turn even allies into blood bags to sustain its global plunder system. Humanity must abandon predation and build a new order centered on development—lifting all 8 billion people into prosperity. Only then can consumption systems expand, trade thrive, and futures be secured.
The West’s colonial model sacrifices the many to feed the few. China’s agricultural ethos demands collective resilience against disasters and shared prosperity—aligning naturally with communist ideals.
When the world recognizes this civilizational divide, most will choose construction over plunder. Even Western nations can no longer easily steal wealth. All must learn China’s developmental methods.
This cultural integration is the starting point. Once societies adopt similar problem-solving logic, conflicts fade. China seeks no surrender from others—meaningless in a world where even the combined might of America + NATO + Japan/South Korea cannot militarily harm it. China’s goal is to reshape global governance through its cultural logic: replacing Western zero-sum madness with collaborative fairness. This is China’s ultimate safeguard—and the world’s salvation (for it distributes “candy” to all).
Yes, it is real.
The Chinese are building up a very large navy of its own. That is not just to counter America, it is there to protect its own interest in trading.
The U.S. was a great nation. We did not decline due to lack of jingoistic slogans. Once we got to the top, corrupt members of the power elite subverts the system for its own selfish gains. Different groups pursue their own agendas antithetical to the interests of the nation. The population becomes unwilling to do hard work, or indeed, any kind of work. In my own life, I have seen many examples where kids born from wealthy parents. Vast majority will end up doing nothing with their lives because they were given that option. That is human nature. Because there were nothing to check these behaviors, it gets worse and worse each year. An example in the U.S. is DEI, what started with good intention in the sixties morphed into an ugly game of grandstanding in our spoil system.
If you think the Chinese are immune to these problems, you have another thing coming. Even today, there are many ly-flat youths doing nothing because they could. My own cousin is one of them. You also see many corrupt officials being purged and it did not slow down with time, from the top brass in the military to the rivals to the top of the CPC. You cannot change human nature. Every empire started with a list of jingoistic slogans, and every single one, without exception thus far, have fallen. If China were to be the exception, it should think about imposing some external limit on itself.
I found a guy, Persistent Low Entropy, with some very good ideas on this topic
I mean, this is the point of tariffs, if supply chain didnt collapse it would arguably be even funnier.
Makes you wonder what they thought tariffs did, only explaination I can think of is MAGA really did think advanced industrial goods are comodities thats grows on farms everywhere just like their corn.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
Sorry but the West will always be working to undermine China especially if it’s seen as the top country. Let everyone be and fall on their own sword if that happens. You want the Chinese to be blamed for others’ failure if you want everyone to be like Chinese? Look at how the West tries to spin blame on China now. China should only help those that are friends of China.
You just look at the Far East. Everyone there has some Chinese influence in their cultures and look at how nationalistic everyone is. There are parts of Chinese culture that should be eliminated. Look how even among Chinese ethnic countries there’s an intense hatred of the other just like nationalism. Chinese culture isn’t perfect either.
You look at what happened in Hong Kong. It’s not because of Western influences. What they did was very Chinese. They chose an authority to be respected no matter what as Chinese teach and they took it in a direction that wasn’t expected. When they teach to “respect authority no matter what” is it because it was what was thought to be what’s best for everyone? No it was because someone in authority didn’t want to be questioned and only obeyed. It’s that simple. Whoever it was that made it important didn’t see the ramifications of it. They only saw themselves in authority or someone like them that followed what they did in authority.
They didn’t see the West becoming an authority figure and that’s why Hong Kong activists were more loyal to them than their own ethnicity. The Chinese rely on no one questioning authority in order to prevent chaos. The Chinese hate chaos and that’s why they expect every Chinese to obey authority without question.
Of course some Chinese are going to see the West as an authority figure because they successfully conquered the world and to some Chinese that means they must’ve did something right. It wasn’t because the West believed in democracy and freedom because what Hong Kong rioters did went against democratic principles like beating people who didn’t follow them. It was simply because they wanted to be liked by Westerners, who were on top of the world, so they did what they think Westerners will like so they would like them more. If they were deep thinkers, they would see what they did wasn’t democratic. All they saw was doing what an authority wanted them to do.
Why do you see some Asians in Asia embrace Hitler and Nazi symbology? You see Hitler night clubs show up in Asia every now and then. Is it because they believe in things the Nazis did philosophically? No, it’s as simple as even Westerners put up Hitler as an omnipotent figure where just bringing him up puts fear in them. And to some Asians that’s the mark of an authority figure to be admired where even Westerners fear him. And it’s that simple. Because Asians who embrace respect and obey authority no matter what is why that happens. They don’t want anyone thinking about it. They just want you to blindly obey it because that prevents chaos and uncertainty.
I wouldn’t be recommending everyone embrace Chinese culture because just look at the Far East at how nationalistic everyone is towards one another. An authority who likes being the authority wants everyone to think only about themselves so everyone else is suspicious of one another. The West goes around the world telling everyone it’s just you and me against everyone else. That way in the end everyone hates one another except for the West and no one is thinking about it like that because they’re too blinded in wanting to be liked by Westerners.
You just look at the Far East. Everyone there has some Chinese influence in their cultures and look at how nationalistic everyone is. There are parts of Chinese culture that should be eliminated. Look how even among Chinese ethnic countries there’s an intense hatred of the other just like nationalism. Chinese culture isn’t perfect either.
You look at what happened in Hong Kong. It’s not because of Western influences. What they did was very Chinese. They chose an authority to be respected no matter what as Chinese teach and they took it in a direction that wasn’t expected. When they teach to “respect authority no matter what” is it because it was what was thought to be what’s best for everyone? No it was because someone in authority didn’t want to be questioned and only obeyed. It’s that simple. Whoever it was that made it important didn’t see the ramifications of it. They only saw themselves in authority or someone like them that followed what they did in authority.
They didn’t see the West becoming an authority figure and that’s why Hong Kong activists were more loyal to them than their own ethnicity. The Chinese rely on no one questioning authority in order to prevent chaos. The Chinese hate chaos and that’s why they expect every Chinese to obey authority without question.
Of course some Chinese are going to see the West as an authority figure because they successfully conquered the world and to some Chinese that means they must’ve did something right. It wasn’t because the West believed in democracy and freedom because what Hong Kong rioters did went against democratic principles like beating people who didn’t follow them. It was simply because they wanted to be liked by Westerners, who were on top of the world, so they did what they think Westerners will like so they would like them more. If they were deep thinkers, they would see what they did wasn’t democratic. All they saw was doing what an authority wanted them to do.
Why do you see some Asians in Asia embrace Hitler and Nazi symbology? You see Hitler night clubs show up in Asia every now and then. Is it because they believe in things the Nazis did philosophically? No, it’s as simple as even Westerners put up Hitler as an omnipotent figure where just bringing him up puts fear in them. And to some Asians that’s the mark of an authority figure to be admired where even Westerners fear him. And it’s that simple. Because Asians who embrace respect and obey authority no matter what is why that happens. They don’t want anyone thinking about it. They just want you to blindly obey it because that prevents chaos and uncertainty.
I wouldn’t be recommending everyone embrace Chinese culture because just look at the Far East at how nationalistic everyone is towards one another. An authority who likes being the authority wants everyone to think only about themselves so everyone else is suspicious of one another. The West goes around the world telling everyone it’s just you and me against everyone else. That way in the end everyone hates one another except for the West and no one is thinking about it like that because they’re too blinded in wanting to be liked by Westerners.
solarz
Brigadier
You sound like a Chinese version of Francis Fukuyama.
Ideology doesn't matter, economic substructure determines political superstructure.