Infantry Combat Equipment (non-firearm): Vests, Body Armor, NVGs, etc.

bsdnf

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To be fair to the US, the average infantryman in general at least has a PVS14 and a weapon mounted optic. Sometimes, we will see thermals being used by them. As far as I know, the average PLA infantryman doesn’t even have an optic and a monocular nod, and the digital monocular nod’s are being distributed in limited quantities.
new gen of rifle sights with night vision capabilities include digital NV, image intensifier NV, and infrared sights, and the number is increasing quiet fast, even some PAP unit start to use these nv scope.
 

zlixOS

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btw, we may see the next gen system in the September 3 parade
Praise be to the Lord it be not goofy. If the PCs are worn too low or if it's nought but gadgetry like robodogs I might actually tweak istg. Also, source? This peasant here is illiterate and is in desperate need of n-th wave character simplification, so I'm struggling to find information on the 9-3 parade.
 

bsdnf

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Praise be to the Lord it be not goofy. If the PCs are worn too low or if it's nought but gadgetry like robodogs I might actually tweak istg. Also, source? This peasant here is illiterate and is in desperate need of n-th wave character simplification, so I'm struggling to find information on the 9-3 parade.
Just my guess.

Recently, the previously confidential new IFV family has been frequently spotted, almost certain to be officially unveiled in 9.3. It’s likely that many other new equipment will emerge in different fields.

A blogger I follow has uncovered some information about a new system, such as what appears to be a design for a new helmet rail frame. Don’t forget—after three years of adjustments to the 19 system came the 21 system, so it’s reasonable for the next-gen system to follow another three years later.
 

zyklon

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To be fair to the US, the average infantryman in general at least has a PVS14 and a weapon mounted optic. Sometimes, we will see thermals being used by them. As far as I know, the average PLA infantryman doesn’t even have an optic and a monocular nod, and the digital monocular nod’s are being distributed in limited quantities.

Availability of night vision equipment does not necessarily translate to significant or impactful night warfighting capabilities.

While America's 82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions like to publicize their periodic
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, respectively, conventional US infantry are not generally speaking intended or adequately trained for offensive night operations.

Since the initial US invasion of Iraq in 2003, offensive night operations has largely been the exclusive domain of SOCOM, which number in the low, if not very low tens of thousands in terms of "shooters."

The distribution volume of ENVG-B to the US Army is just over 18,000 units and 28,000 worldwide, according to L3Harris, which is still far from the "standard issue" (Reasonable, cause it is expensive).

Industry insiders and manufacturers have revealed that the PLA always been purchasing and testing these equipment in small batches. And PLA has apparently issued more standard thermal sights and recon equipment in recent year.

The real advantage that the US has over China in night combat isn't the quality or quantity of kit, but experience.

While most American infantry are as unprepared to fight at night as their Chinese counterparts, there's a small segment, mostly guys bearing green and tan berets, with a ton of experience fighting at night because that's effectively what many of them specialized in during multiple deployments to Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and elsewhere.

The only way to replicate and surpass such institutional experience (especially sans expensive, albeit hapless COIN campaigns) is to subject PLA infantry and SOF formations, intended for night combat, to a disproportionate and stressful, if not outright unpleasant volume and variety of field exercises in the dark for years, if not decades to come.
 
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LawLeadsToPeace

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Availability of night vision equipment does not necessarily translate to significant or impactful night warfighting capabilities.

While America's 82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions like to publicize their periodic
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, respectively, conventional US infantry are not generally speaking intended or adequately trained for offensive night operations.

Since the initial US invasion of Iraq in 2003, offensive night operations has largely been the exclusive domain of SOCOM, which number in the low, if not very low tens of thousands in terms of "shooters."





The real advantage that the US has over China in night combat isn't the quality or quantity of kit, but experience.

While most American infantry are as unprepared to fight at night as their Chinese counterparts, there's a small segment, mostly guys bearing green and tan berets, with a ton of experience fighting at night because that's effectively what many of them specialized in during multiple deployments to Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and elsewhere.

The only way to replicate and surpass such institutional experience (especially sans expensive, albeit hapless COIN campaigns) is to subject PLA infantry and SOF formations, intended for night combat, to a disproportionate and stressful, if not outright unpleasant volume and variety of field exercises in the dark for years, if not decades to come.
I would have to respectfully disagree that the average US infantryman doesn't have the experience to conduct offensive night operations. “We own the night” was a popular mantra during the early to mid 2000’s period given how ubiquitous NOD’s were. As a matter of fact, night fighting and maneuvering is a big thing that is constantly trained and graded within the US military as a whole.
 
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zyklon

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I would have to respectfully disagree that the average US infantryman doesn't have the experience to conduct offensive night operations. “We own the night” was a popular mantra during the early to mid 2000’s period given how ubiquitous NOD’s were. As a matter of fact, night fighting and maneuvering is a big thing that is constantly trained and graded within the US military as a whole.

In Iraq and Afghanistan, conventional US combat arms units usually served as battlespace owners. Their job was to hold and secure territory. Some of that obviously entailed clearing out insurgents, but such operations usually occured during the day.

Generally speaking, the only units that went out at night on a regular basis (i.e. at least a couple times a week) with the expectation of making contact were JSOC strike teams chasing HVTs. CJSOTF units conducted offensive night operations too, but not with the same frequency.

Though none of that obviously stopped indigenous forces from picking a fight with US forces at night.

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While the US is generally speaking ahead of the rest of the world in night combat, that advantage does not mean every American infantryman is reasonably trained and prepared to fight at night.

In all fairness, much, if not most of "owning the night" are founded upon CAS and ISR capabilities provided by airborne assets, as well as surgical strike capabilities that can be deployed at night with relative ease and frequency.
 
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