Trump 2.0 official thread

lube

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The dumb thing about all of this is that Trump probably could of just raise a small 3-7% tarrif and there probably not be much of a reaction from anyone. The us consumers would of been silently fleeced, us buisness would of loss some profit and the exporter would of lost some profit.

Replacing income tax with tariffs is from Project 2025, I think. But they're set their eyes on something bigger.
A small tariff won't achieve the radical changes they've convinced themselves will happen.

They want countries to have zero trade surplus with the US, so it'll be like your European colonies that are forced to trade only through the mother country. The world will pay tribute to the White House and nobody will seriously fight back because of American exceptionalism.
 
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Mt1701d

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The ARM China ceo probably gave the government some ideas. The rumor i've heard is that if the US intends to wage an economic war with China, China would just ignore all us ip and trademarks. Something they can do is that these franchise would not be obligated to pay its parent company or chinese companies can internationally expands with the trademark into the global south. Think selling coke syurup and branding for 1/10th the cost.
I can see the potential disruptions this will cause but also the potential unintended consequences, such a scenario may be pretty bad for China in the long run. Shows that if push comes to shove you can lose control of all your IPs if you invest into China which is not really a great message to project.
 

Mt1701d

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Trump administration is having early talks to hold a military parade in nation’s capital on June 14

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Someone please tell Ayi to narrate that upcoming DC military parade in Ri Chun-hee's voice.
Wait a minute, I remember a long time ago, can’t remember specifics, an article or some sort of report in the west was arguing that only weaken and unstable regimes would have military parades to distract the populous and bolster confidence in the regime, pointing to Russia, China and some other nations (don’t remember India being mentioned btw) as evidence of the assertion.

Don’t quote me on this one, I just remember seeing something arguing to this effect.
 

daifo

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I can see the potential disruptions this will cause but also the potential unintended consequences, such a scenario may be pretty bad for China in the long run. Shows that if push comes to shove you can lose control of all your IPs if you invest into China which is not really a great message to project.

There is a theory that the US is trying to push China out of the international trade, similar to what they have partially done to the Russians. If its full economic war and decoupling, anything goes.
 

iewgnem

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The dumb thing about all of this is that Trump probably could of just raise a small 3-7% tarrif and there probably not be much of a reaction from anyone. The us consumers would of been silently fleeced, us buisness would of loss some profit and the exporter would of lost some profit.
It's not dumb because the goal isn't to actually to help American manufacturers compete, if that's the goal they'd at minimum also give out subsidies at the same time. Their goal is simply doing what anglos are biologically predisposed to do: take the wealth of others by force, it's how they obtained all their wealth and the only way they know how to obtain wealth, it's why they's desperate for trade deals, practically begging China to pick up their calls, and has to bluff tariffs that'll destroy their own economy in the desperate hope of coercing wealth from others.

The fatal mistake US made is believing China is still playing defensive, that China will prioritize minimizing own loses over doing damage to America and China is aiming for deterrence over destruction. The kind of disproportionate and asymmetrical responses, from export control on obscure but critical materials, to investment bans in specialized industries, to precision sanctions on critical supply chains, these aren't high profile theatrics designed for headlines, these are all designed to do maximal damage to American industry while hiding behind technical barriers that will prompt minimal defence from America's tech illiterate leaders.
 

Mt1701d

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There is a theory that the US is trying to push China out of the international trade, similar to what they have partially done to the Russians. If it’s full economic war and decoupling, anything goes.
It’s fair that anything goes when sh*t hits the fan.

If the idea is to push China out of international trade, then it’s a very interesting way to go about it. The demands US will make is just as crippling as the tariffs themselves so what would be the incentive other than security, however that has already been used and shown to be fickle.

Like what’s the guarantee that should a hot war starts, the US wouldn’t just go, well you got the peace we promised in peace time, we did our thing and they didn’t attack during that time right? But since we are going to be fighting now, pay up. This is worse than playing a pay-to-win gacha.
 

Biscuits

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It's not dumb because the goal isn't to actually to help American manufacturers compete, if that's the goal they'd at minimum also give out subsidies at the same time. Their goal is simply doing what anglos are biologically predisposed to do: take the wealth of others by force,
I mean the disparity in economic power makes such an endeavour completely stupid. US doesn't have the means to fight directly and openly. This little stunt will just get US punished harshly economically.

I think their actual goal is more simple, its to let Trump increase his authoritarian control, potentially later become president for life and maybe even establish a political dynasty.
it's how they obtained all their wealth and the only way they know how to obtain wealth, it's why they's desperate for trade deals, practically begging China to pick up their calls, and has to bluff tariffs that'll destroy their own economy in the desperate hope of coercing wealth from others.
But US won't get any wealth from this. US doesn't have the products to sell, even if they did, the quality and prices would be laughable. Imagine buying shoes from a factory staffed in US.
The fatal mistake US made is believing China is still playing defensive, that China will prioritize minimizing own loses over doing damage to America and China is aiming for deterrence over destruction. The kind of disproportionate and asymmetrical responses, from export control on obscure but critical materials, to investment bans in specialized industries, to precision sanctions on critical supply chains, these aren't high profile theatrics designed for headlines, these are all designed to do maximal damage to American industry while hiding behind technical barriers that will prompt minimal defence from America's tech illiterate leaders.
It is not a fatal mistake if the point is to get hit. Trump clearly stopped caring about overall US economy. In fact as China kills US' "crown jewels" of tech and science, those are the very opposition against Trump's populism. Trump's sweatshop fetish makes sense when you consider that in fascist countries, the hard labor workers tend to be the most reactionary and most unable to understand how the regime controls them.

Just like in the USSR when Perestroika and Yeltsin came, there were many USSR world nationalists who were coping that this was 4D chess to finally bring the west down. They couldn't come to terms that their leader simply is a selfish pos that sold out their country's interests for some stock market inside trades and personal glory.
 
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