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Why is Japan so backwards compared to China when it comes to new tech? Hell, even laggards like Italy are now way ahead of Japan in terms of the EV transition. I'm trying to understand what happened to Japan. It's not money. It's a cultural issue.
Japan still uses fax you know.

There seems to be this delusion that Japan is some alien nation to Asia that can do what other cannot do.

If that were true then why did Japan remain mostly irrelevant in history until the Meiji era where they just copied whatever the west did? Because they were on an island and was much smaller they were able to Westernize and therefore industrialize much earlier than others.

But that's just a tech advantage. When others catch up, you lose that and you have to go back to inherent traits to keep ahead of everyone. And we can see Japan doesn't have that and is simply reverting back to the mean.

Btw this isn't an original theory by me. You know who wrote about it a lot?

Hitler.

Hitler said Japan only got to where it was due to Aryan influence. There's not much in it's native culture that would allow it to be at the forefront of the world. Should Aryan influence/west vanish, Japan will find itself out of ideas to progress very quickly.

I don't endorse Hitler esp with that Aryan crap but I think if many right wingers actually read a lot of what he wrote, they probably wouldn't like him as much.
 
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iewgnem

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So a flat import tax for everything then in other words?

Means speadrunning poverty. People cant afford goods, slowing local innovation rate. All money is spent on rent and groceries, leaving nothing left for science/infrastructure/education, thus when education lags, the next generation does not get the tools to stay competitive, so even more money needs to be paid for the same or comparable results. This eventually causes widespread poverty and uncompetitiveness.
Honestly China should take advantage of this opportunity, maybe publicly demand Trump not raise tariff on other countries, be arrogant and belittling in making demand, basically make it so he's politically forced to raise tariff on everyone to avoid looking like him and US itself are surrendering to China, make it so his tendency to fold on his threats incurs a much greater cost. As a bonus China will also come out looking like a defender of world trade.

Or maybe China just do nothing because don't interrupt your opponent, etc, etc.
 

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A quarter of Britons now disabled​

A quarter of Britons are now disabled, with two million more people than before the pandemic saying they struggle to function because of poor mental health.

In the face of growing Labour unrest, ministers are trying to stand firm on cuts to disability benefits that will slash claimants’ income by £4.8 billion.

On Thursday, more MPs pledged to vote against the cuts, vowing the “mother of all rebellions” against plans, detailed in the spring statement by Rachel Reeves, the chancellor, that will leave three million people worse off.

Only about a dozen backbenchers have, so far, expressed outright opposition. Ministers are launching a charm offensive to persuade those unhappy with the changes not to rebel.
The government also faces discontent from more than 150,000 people who will lose their carer’s allowance as a result of the person they look after no longer qualifying for personal independence payments under the reforms. Official impact assessments show this will save £500 million.
Steve Darling, the Liberal Democrat work and pensions spokesman, called it “the biggest cuts to carer’s allowance for decades”, causing some families to lose a total of £12,000 a year.
The Labour MP Rachael Maskell urged ministers to “withdraw this policy”. Carers UK, a charity, said that claimants were “shocked, worried and scared”, warning that “families will effectively lose two main strands of financial income at once”.

But Sir Stephen Timms, the disability minister, said “we do have to make some reductions” to control the soaring cost of sickness benefits, arguing that the reforms were being done “in a compassionate way”.

Even after the latest cuts, spending on disability benefits will rise from £36 billion last year to £59 billion by the end of the decade.
Both sides are likely to point to findings from an official survey, released on Thursday, that showed 16.8 million people in the UK now say they have a disability. The number has risen by 40 per cent in the past decade and 700,000 in the past year.

For the first time, 25 per cent of people say they have a disability that has “substantial” and “long-term” effects on their ability to function in daily life. The rise is sharpest among those of working age, with 24 per cent in this cohort saying they have a disability, up from 19 per cent pre-Covid and 16 per cent a decade ago.

There are now more than ten million people of working age reporting a disability, including about a million under 25. This is addition to 1.2 million children under 15 reporting a disability.

About 5.8 million people reported they have a mental health problem so severe it counts as a disability, up 400,000 in a year and two million on 2018-19 levels. Mental illness is cited by 48 per cent of working age people with a disability, up from up from 39 per cent in 2018, making it the single biggest problem.

While Wes Streeting, the health secretary, has said there is “overdiagnosis” of mental health problems, Minesh Patel of the charity Mind said there were “very real reasons why mental health problems are increasing”. He cited “seismic events like the Covid-19 pandemic and the cost of living crisis that have had a significant impact on people’s mental health”.

Patel urged ministers to focus on improving the NHS mental health service, saying: “This would put more people in a position to enter and remain in work, as opposed to a short-sighted approach of slashing support from the benefits system.”

Dave Finch of the Health Foundation, a think tank, said that “healthcare is not always the right answer” to problems that often had social causes, but urged ministers to give “more consideration of what’s driving those underlying trends and trying to tackle those issues, rather than trying to ration resources in the face of rising need”.

The findings, from a long-running government survey which questioned 36,000 people in 2023-24, comes amid mounting unease on the Labour benches about cuts to disability benefits.

At least two new Labour MPs said they would vote against the cuts. Dr Simon Opher, the Stroud MP who is also a GP, said “I did not come into politics to make life harder for those already struggling” and told ministers: “We must not balance the books on the backs of the poorest.”

Connor Naismith, the MP for Crewe and Nantwich, said Labour should be “pursuing measures which risk plunging vulnerable people into poverty”.

In the Commons, Josh Fenton-Glynn, the Calder Valley MP, told ministers there was a “real sense of fear” among his constituents, while Paul Waugh said that his, in Rochdale, were “deeply worried” about assessments showing the cuts would push 50,000 children into poverty.

Vocal opposition is still largely confined to confirmed critics. Neil Duncan-Jordan, the MP for Poole, pledged to vote against “the largest disability cuts in a generation”, saying ministers “should be asking the wealthiest to pay their share — not targeting the poorest”.

Richard Burgon, the veteran left-winger, predicted “the mother of all rebellions”, insisting the cuts were not a “moral approach” and “not a Labour approach”. He told Times Radio that discontent was not confined to the left, saying that “there are many more MPs than people think who are really concerned about this”.

Reeves said she was “absolutely certain” the reforms would reduce poverty once back-to-work schemes were taken into account.
Separate figures published on Thursday showed 4.5 million children were living in relative poverty, a record high and the third consecutive annual rise. About 44 per cent of them are in families in which someone is disabled.

Paul Nowak, general secretary of the TUC, which is normally loyal to the government, said: “Cuts to disability benefits are already forecast to push many more families into poverty. Ministers should rethink these plans.”
 

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Japan still uses fax you know.

There seems to be this delusion that Japan is some alien nation to Asia that can do what other cannot do.

If that were true then why did Japan remain mostly irrelevant in history until the Meiji era where they just copied whatever the west did? Because they were on an island and was much smaller they were able to Westernize and therefore industrialize much earlier than others.

But that's just a tech advantage. When others catch up, you lose that and you have to go back to inherent traits to keep ahead of everyone. And we can see Japan doesn't have that and is simply reverting back to the mean.

Btw this isn't an original theory by me. You know who wrote about it a lot?

Hitler.

Hitler said Japan only got to where it was due to Aryan influence. There's not much in it's native culture that would allow it to be at the forefront of the world. Should Aryan influence/west vanish, Japan will find itself out of ideas to progress very quickly.

I don't endorse Hitler esp with that Aryan crap but I think if many right wingers actually read a lot of what he wrote, they probably wouldn't like him as much.
Japan was relevant before the 19th century, but mostly as pirates and raiders - see Imjin War, etc. Prior to contact with the West, their defining cultural system was feudalism (similar to most of medieval Europe), and their main differentiating factor in relation to China and Korea was that they prized violence above scholarship. Think any country ruled by a military junta today, and that's roughly historical Japan.

Such a culture is not exceptionally well suited to business or technological innovation - recall that the Renaissance occurred in the city-states of Italy, not the gothic kingdoms of Germany, France, or Britain. What it is well suited to is industrialization - similar to how the UK and later Germany were ahead of the rest of Europe in industrial development, and exploited that edge for military conquest as a way to achieve dominance. The same way Imperial Japan tried to do.

Also recall how the Jews in Europe - who were, in fact, great at business and finance - gradually became marginalized by these warrior cultures, who distrusted and eventually turned against them. This is because feudal warrior cultures are strong at organization, hierarchy, and social discipline (useful ingredients for industrialization and manufacturing), but relatively weak at economic dynamism and commerce. And they hate being dominated by merchants.

Translating that to the modern world, Japan has no fundamental cultural advantage in a setting that demands economic and commercial dynamism. And their traditional advantage in manufacturing was eroded by the rise of South Korea, Taiwan, and China. Couple all of this with demographics failure and you have the recipe for a rigid, hierarchical, conservative society (typical of warrior cultures) ruled by dinosaurs who're obsessed with order and duty and just doing what they know. Consequently all their ambitious young people - the few who are left - are busy looking for jobs outside of Japan, and in doing so, taking away what little capacity for innovation they have left.

For Japan to dominate anything again, they'd need a reset - demographically and in terms of the world system, where their higher cultural capacity for violence, collective organization, and social discipline could become useful once again. Unfortunately for them, it doesn't seem like any such future is coming, since to pull off a 19th century style restoration requires a youth dividend that Japan simply does not have. Maybe if a visionary Japanese leader at the top of the hierarchy forced their society to start breeding babies in tubes, they could do it; but that'd require Japan to stop caring about what the West thinks and that just won't happen in the near term.
 

AssassinsMace

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Why is Japan so backwards compared to China when it comes to new tech? Hell, even laggards like Italy are now way ahead of Japan in terms of the EV transition. I'm trying to understand what happened to Japan. It's not money. It's a cultural issue.

It can be also asked why is China exploding with innovation now where advanced Western countries see it as a threat to them? I doubt anyone in the West will explore this because it's such an indictment against them. It's probably because it's about schools of thought. Why was chemistry once considered witchcraft in countries that make up the West today? It's because it was outside of the limits of how they were taught how things worked. Did the West come to the light because they matured. No it was simply because other cultures didn't see chemistry as witchcraft and were using it where if the West didn't drop that taboo, they were going to be at a disadvantage.

Why is China a technological threat to advanced Western countries? It's because China is not restrained by Western schools of thought to which Western science circles criticize China for not doing. Why do they care? It's because they want the Chinese to see chemistry as witchcraft so they can control what the Chinese do or don't do because ultimately it's all about going against their will and being in command. They didn't want China to do any stem cell research because Christians think it involves killing babies and is against pro-life Christian values. Well the Chinese aren't Christians.

Why is Japan such a laggard in technology these days when they use to be the opposite? It's because they've reached the limits of what the West will only allow them. Japan and South Korea's economies are suffering because of US foreign policies that they're expected to follow. They are not allowed independently to think about their own interests. And what makes them continue spiraling into this death trap? Because they were taught by the West just because they like them more than everyone else, that makes them superior to everyone else. That's more important than anything else which is why Japan and South Korea choose to jump onto a sinking ship.

That fact is if you have the money, you can do anything the US can do when it comes to science and technology. I say that out loud and in forums and comment sections knowing full well people are going to reject it. It tells me they want to believe it's all about genetics and race yet at the same time they want to prevent from people seeing them as a racist. China goes against their schools of thought of how everything works which proves everything they believe and tell everyone is a lie. China represents everything they say why China can't do these things. And China is defying it and showing it to the world.

Is it a threat that China being capable of advance technology is all about fearing China will abuse it? It's more because they don't want it in the hands of everyone else. Just look at the narrative of artificial intelligence and why they want to control it. The don't want it being used by terrorists and rogue actors to create malware, technology, biological and chemical weapons... just like how they're going to use it. And what do they do to prevent people for taking paths they don't want them to? It's all about controlling what people believe.
 

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Japan still uses fax you know.

There seems to be this delusion that Japan is some alien nation to Asia that can do what other cannot do.

If that were true then why did Japan remain mostly irrelevant in history until the Meiji era where they just copied whatever the west did? Because they were on an island and was much smaller they were able to Westernize and therefore industrialize much earlier than others.

But that's just a tech advantage. When others catch up, you lose that and you have to go back to inherent traits to keep ahead of everyone. And we can see Japan doesn't have that and is simply reverting back to the mean.

Btw this isn't an original theory by me. You know who wrote about it a lot?

Hitler.

Hitler said Japan only got to where it was due to Aryan influence. There's not much in it's native culture that would allow it to be at the forefront of the world. Should Aryan influence/west vanish, Japan will find itself out of ideas to progress very quickly.

I don't endorse Hitler esp with that Aryan crap but I think if many right wingers actually read a lot of what he wrote, they probably wouldn't like him as much.
No, Japan just bet on the wrong guy to follow. When US stagnated, so did Japan, except even more because US took Japan's prosperity to try and patch holes at home.

Japan is at its foundation very similar to China. The diverging point is that Japan embraced a far right one party system that continued to put elites/aristocrats first. While China got a left wing party with accountability to the people first. Modern cultural differences between Japan and China are mainly from this difference.

Japan is not progressing quickly because similar to Chinese, they prefer using their own homemade stuff over everyone else's. Which is a problem when your own stuff isn't modern. Hence the fax machines and other retro inefficiencies. Japan could in theory get better economy by ditching US, because US is economically speaking a spent force.

Obviously Japan can only be a follower and not a leader, it's because of their relative small size. Like how Germany would never be the leader in a relationship between itself and USA or itself and USSR. But if you have a nation with 1 billion+ Japanese, this nation could defintely be a leader or would even be favored to be THE leader. Essentially that's what China is, except China gets further even a bit more boost from having a sustainable work culture and more egalitarian political system.
 

tamsen_ikard

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Sorry, but no.

I won't talk about infantries and land warfare in general since it's not my field of expertise and focus, but your attempts at shoehorning your reasonings across domains which shouldn't be seen as equivalents is just hilarious.

Surface warships are very much a must for not just fighting naval wars against the enemy, but also for establishing presence and control at sea. You can't do that with missiles for the latter.

Surface warships of today mainly rely on active defensive measures, namely radars and sensor systems, anti-air and anti-missile interceptor missiles, gun-based or DEW-based CIWS, electronic warfare/countermeasures (jamming, spoofing), decoys (smokescreen, towed decoys), and stealth (for certain ships) for defenses against enemy warplanes and missiles.

And as a matter of fact - Shields and swords are always engaged in a never-ending arms race, and this has been true ever since the first humans graduated from the apes. You don't see the enemy putting up their arms and say "I yield! You win!" whenever the opposing side develops some new technology to overwhelm the enemy - They always adapt and develop something better to defend and overcome against whatever new technology the opposing side fields. The cycle continues indefinitely, because survival is the fundamental instinct of the human race.

Moreover, you've been looking at things rather simplistically. Anti-missile defenses don't just rely on ships themselves - It's an all-encompassing effort across multiple domains: Primarily land, sea and air, but now with the addition of outer space, cyberspace and information space as well.

If anything - I'd say that aircraft carriers are actually becoming more important than ever before, not just as additional means of offense (i.e. delivering strikes against enemy warships and land targets), but also additional means of defense (i.e. ship and fleet defenses against increasingly advanced and lethal anti-ship missiles).
I will agree with you that Surface ships are still very useful including aircraft carriers AT THE PRESENT DAY. But that's because surface ship air defense is still quite capable and anti-ship missiles haven't been proven to be unstoppable. My argument with you started when you said Carriers will never be obsolete. This is where the disagreement lies. I am not sure surface ships will be that much useful in the future if anti-ship missile tech keeps getting so much better. Hypersonics, manuverable, stealth missiles could become unstoppable for even the best Air Defense in the future. That will be the end of surface ships. Whether that happens or not is still up in the air. But we cannot make statement like "carriers will never be obsolete".
 

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Japan was relevant before the 19th century, but mostly as pirates and raiders - see Imjin War, etc. Prior to contact with the West, their defining cultural system was feudalism (similar to most of medieval Europe), and their main differentiating factor in relation to China and Korea was that they prized violence above scholarship. Think any country ruled by a military junta today, and that's roughly historical Japan.

Such a culture is not exceptionally well suited to business or technological innovation - recall that the Renaissance occurred in the city-states of Italy, not the gothic kingdoms of Germany, France, or Britain. What it is well suited to is industrialization - similar to how the UK and later Germany were ahead of the rest of Europe in industrial development, and exploited that edge for military conquest as a way to achieve dominance. The same way Imperial Japan tried to do.

Also recall how the Jews in Europe - who were, in fact, great at business and finance - gradually became marginalized by these warrior cultures, who distrusted and eventually turned against them. This is because feudal warrior cultures are strong at organization, hierarchy, and social discipline (useful ingredients for industrialization and manufacturing), but relatively weak at economic dynamism and commerce. And they hate being dominated by merchants.

Translating that to the modern world, Japan has no fundamental cultural advantage in a setting that demands economic and commercial dynamism. And their traditional advantage in manufacturing was eroded by the rise of South Korea, Taiwan, and China. Couple all of this with demographics failure and you have the recipe for a rigid, hierarchical, conservative society (typical of warrior cultures) ruled by dinosaurs who're obsessed with order and duty and just doing what they know. Consequently all their ambitious young people - the few who are left - are busy looking for jobs outside of Japan, and in doing so, taking away what little capacity for innovation they have left.

For Japan to dominate anything again, they'd need a reset - demographically and in terms of the world system, where their higher cultural capacity for violence, collective organization, and social discipline could become useful once again. Unfortunately for them, it doesn't seem like any such future is coming, since to pull off a 19th century style restoration requires a youth dividend that Japan simply does not have. Maybe if a visionary Japanese leader at the top of the hierarchy forced their society to start breeding babies in tubes, they could do it; but that'd require Japan to stop caring about what the West thinks and that just won't happen in the near term.
Japan also got used to make money form Tourism. Tourism based society ultimately lose local traditions, Manufacturing and Warrior culture if not managed properly.

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