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tamsen_ikard

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Do soldiers not have kevlar vests and helmets?

Could surface ships not simply evolve their tactics and operate outside of antiship and drone range?
Kevlar cannot defend against higher caliber bullets and artillery. So soldiers usually hide in fox holes. There is no hiding spot in open sea. The only option is stay out of those missile ranges. Which means surface ships could only operate far from the shore. So essentially, they are relegated to deep sea pirates destroying merchant ships, not able to project power to land.

Again, I am not saying this will happen, I am saying it could happen if surface ships cannot defend against missiles. But maybe anti-missile defense will always be able to keep up with anti-ship missiles no matter how fast or maneuvering they get. Maybe ships will have lasers that can destroy massive missile barrage with ease.

Ships still have a chance if anti-missile shields keep getting better.
 

FriedButter

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Trump 'p***ed' off' and 'angry' with Putin after comments criticising Zelenskyy​

Donald Trump has said he was "very angry" and "pissed off" after Vladimir Putin criticised the credibility of Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, in a phone call with Sky News' US partner network, NBC News.

Mr Trump said the Russian president's recent comments, calling for a transitional government to be put in place in Ukraine in a move that could effectively push out Mr Zelenskyy, were "not going in the right direction".

It is a rare move by Mr Trump to criticise Mr Putin, who he has generally spoken positively about during discussions to end the war in Ukraine.

Last month, he also released a barrage of critical comments about Mr Zelenskyy's leadership, falsely claiming that he had "poor approval" ratings in Ukraine.

The US leader added that if Russia is unable to make a deal on "stopping bloodshed in Ukraine" then he would put secondary tariffs on "all oil coming out of Russia".

"That would be that if you buy oil from Russia, you can't do business in the United States. There will be a 25% tariff on all oil, a 25 to 50-point tariff on all oil," he said.

Mr Trump said Mr Putin knows he is angry, but added that he has "a very good relationship with him" and "the anger dissipates quickly... if he does the right thing".

He said he plans to speak with the Russian president again this week.

The comments directed towards Mr Putin come after a separate phone call on Saturday, in which Mr Trump threatened Iran with bombings and secondary tariffs, if Tehran did not make a deal with the US to ensure it did not develop a nuclear weapon.

"If they don't make a deal, there will be bombing," Mr Trump told NBC. "But there's a chance that if they don't make a deal, that I will do secondary tariffs on them like I did four years ago."

Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian said on Sunday that Iran had rejected direct negotiations with the US, but left open the possibility of indirect negotiations with Washington.
"That would be that if you buy oil from Russia, you can't do business in the United States. There will be a 25% tariff on all oil, a 25 to 50-point tariff on all oil," he said.

Minsk 3 must be going well. Come on. Do it. Impose a continental system on China already.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Armored knights are no longer active, right? Well it could happen to warships too. If anti-ship missiles and drones become so good that surface ships simply cannot defend against them then surface ships could become obsolete. Then navies might switch to only have submarines which will hide in the terrain of deep water to prevent detection.

There is a reason soldiers no longer fight in open fields, it's impossible to defend against bullets and artillery. Same thing could happen to surface ships. They are too slow, completely exposed and go down easily.
Kevlar cannot defend against higher caliber bullets and artillery. So soldiers usually hide in fox holes. There is no hiding spot in open sea. The only option is stay out of those missile ranges. Which means surface ships could only operate far from the shore. So essentially, they are relegated to deep sea pirates destroying merchant ships, not able to project power to land.

Again, I am not saying this will happen, I am saying it could happen if surface ships cannot defend against missiles. But maybe anti-missile defense will always be able to keep up with anti-ship missiles no matter how fast or maneuvering they get. Maybe ships will have lasers that can destroy massive missile barrage with ease.

Ships still have a chance if anti-missile shields keep getting better.

Sorry, but no.

I won't talk about infantries and land warfare in general since it's not my field of expertise and focus, but your attempts at shoehorning your reasonings across domains which shouldn't be seen as equivalents is just hilarious.

Surface warships are very much a must for not just fighting naval wars against the enemy, but also for establishing presence and control at sea. You can't do that with missiles for the latter.

Surface warships of today mainly rely on active defensive measures, namely radars and sensor systems, anti-air and anti-missile interceptor missiles, gun-based or DEW-based CIWS, electronic warfare/countermeasures (jamming, spoofing), decoys (smokescreen, towed decoys), and stealth (for certain ships) for defenses against enemy warplanes and missiles.

And as a matter of fact - Shields and swords are always engaged in a never-ending arms race, and this has been true ever since the first humans graduated from the apes. You don't see the enemy putting up their arms and say "I yield! You win!" whenever the opposing side develops some new technology to overwhelm the enemy - They always adapt and develop something better to defend and overcome against whatever new technology the opposing side fields. The cycle continues indefinitely, because survival is the fundamental instinct of the human race.

Moreover, you've been looking at things rather simplistically. Anti-missile defenses don't just rely on ships themselves - It's an all-encompassing effort across multiple domains: Primarily land, sea and air, but now with the addition of outer space, cyberspace and information space as well.

If anything - I'd say that aircraft carriers are actually becoming more important than ever before, not just as additional means of offense (i.e. delivering strikes against enemy warships and land targets), but also additional means of defense (i.e. ship and fleet defenses against increasingly advanced and lethal anti-ship missiles).
 
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Trump says "there will be bombing" if Iran does not make nuclear deal​

WASHINGTON, March 30 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Sunday threatened Iran with bombings and secondary tariffs if Tehran did not come to an agreement with Washington over its nuclear program.

In a telephone interview with NBC News, Trump said U.S. and Iranian officials were talking but did not elaborate.

"If they don't make a deal, there will be bombing," Trump said. "But there's a chance that if they don't make a deal, that I will do secondary tariffs on them like I did four years ago."

In his first 2017-21 term, Trump withdrew the U.S. from a 2015 deal between Iran and world powers that placed strict limits on Tehran's disputed nuclear activities in exchange for sanctions relief.

Trump also reimposed sweeping U.S. sanctions. Since then the Islamic Republic has far surpassed the agreed limits in its escalating program of uranium enrichment.

Tehran has so far rebuffed Trump's warning to make a deal or face military consequences.

Iran sent a response through Oman to Trump's letter in which he urged Tehran to reach a new nuclear deal, Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi was cited as saying by the official IRNA news agency on Thursday.

Western powers accuse Iran of having an clandestine agenda to develop nuclear weapons capability by enriching uranium to a high level of fissile purity, above what they say is justifiable for a civilian atomic energy program.

Tehran says its nuclear program is wholly for civilian energy purposes.
 

Biscuits

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"but there's a chance that if they don't make a deal, that I will do secondary tariffs like in 2014"

Lmfao already pussying out.

I wonder what illustrious Iranian export goods to US will be tariffed. So in reality this is a threat to do nothing.
I've said it once I've said it a thousand times, the Entity is the greatest ally of Chinese civilization.
Unironically yes (well not really, Russia is the greatest ally because of securing energy independence). They only care about themselves and not US, while their influence on US lets China consistently troll US and remain a step ahead in intel. Israel is a small country, how easy isn't it for the MSS to just buy/bully intel on US from Mossad?

None of the 3 middle eastern actors that matter are 100% good. Israel is the most outwardly evil and dictatorial, but China has never shied away from working with horrible regimes to advance China's own interest first. We also worked with Pol Pot who is worse.

People having rose tinted glasses on Iran when Iran is also a bullshit third world mentality like nation. If they were China's ally, they would have shifted to 100% Chinese supplies, goods and currency for trade already. Even Israel has fully shifted to Chinese autos majority, yet Iran would rather drive outdated western garbage. Any nation who would rather use something because it is western is an ideological western supremacist. At least Israel is an honest open nazi that buys high quality goods for what they are, while western supremacist refuse to use China's brand out of pure ideology fervor.

Iran and to some extent Saudi have a lot to clean house on both inside and outside government before they can provide a solid case that China should back Islamic ownership of the middle east.
 

pmc

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Not sure if west doesnt know abt the interconnectedness of tech sectors/mfg... they hav many scientific amd r&d facilities even decades ago tho....
(To pulloff the name, Lyric...)
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Robotics is not as complex project like others. it is just US is so dysfunctional that for a century it has largest Auto market and still not have top industrial robotic firms. There is nothing preventing China from producing 100m Autos when you add AI to robotics.

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Established in 1915 in Kitakyushu, Japan,
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has transformed from a motor manufacturer to an automation company and now a mechatronics company.

Since announcing Japan’s first all-electric industrial robot under the brand name MOTOMAN in 1977, Yaskawa has shipped nearly 500,000 units all over the world.
Besides automobiles, Yaskawa’s industrial robots are now used in a wide range of industries, including electric and electronic equipment, semiconductor manufacturing, biomedical, food, medical products and logistics.
 

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Minsk 3 must be going well. Come on. Do it. Impose a continental system on China already.
He should’ve expected this, does he think Putin is going to do what he wants just because he said please. Come on, the USA started the whole thing and now they want to end it because it costs too much, if Trump wanted an easy ending, simply walk away and stop ending Ukraine weapons. End of story, there is no ending where the USA can come out of this one looking good.
 

AssassinsMace

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Secondary tariffs means tariffing countries like China for doing business with Iran. You already see the signs of this being implemented against China where you heard that Trump wanted Canada and Mexico to match US tariffs on China from their end. If one of the ways they say China is insulating itself from being tariffed by the US is by expanding trade with others, Trump wants other countries from trading with China.

It’s obvious that rare earth supplies are very important to Trump. Why not China just stop selling them to the US? Who cares if the US gets them from somewhere else. They’ll costs so much more for the US or whoever else they get to process them. Then also like oil as a commodity China can flood the market making them cheap killing any company supplying the US.

It’s not like China can’t use them for their own advanced technology.
 
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