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TSMC: At first you told me not to foundry advanced process chips for China, I listened. Then you told me to come to the U.S. to build factories, and I listened. Now you want to put tariffs on me? Then didn't I listen to you for nothing?
China and the United States have finally reached an agreement on tariffs
The Chinese are in favor of the United States imposing tariffs on a Chinese province
Comrade Trump has the Chinese people in his heart and the spirit of hard working. Helping to rebuild China in his first week in office!
manqiangrexue
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Exactly. The problem is you listened. Learn from Colombia, who told Trump to go eat a sack of dicks and they've got 50% tariffs on American imports to America's threat of 25% on Colombian imports. What happens? Trump's tariffs cancelled. "I was just kidding," America says.
He thinks this will incentivize chip companies to build plants in the US.
What actually happens is it incentivizes hardware companies to move all production to China.
Truely Trump the nation builder.
I don't think Americans have enough self awareness to realize insisting Deepseek can't have done it without a large stash of H100 is the same as saying it's impossible for America to achieve Deepseek's result without a large stash of H100, which is not good at all for the future of American AI.
Being a friend of the U.S has indeed proven to be fatal, and it's MUCH more dangerous than being an enemy of the U.S.
Do you remember back in 2019 at the start of the trade war when the US sanctioned ZTE and forced them to open themselves up to inquisitions at ZTE’s own expense? How it seemed Chinese companies were forced to follow American diktat or be sanctioned?
Now, American firms pay homage to Chinese technology and willingly adopt Chinese technology and AI against the wishes and plans of the Anglo American elites. Capitalism doesn’t care for nationalities and the door swings both ways. Just be glad that Chinese are merciful
The focus on the number of GPUs that Deepseek has doesn’t even matter. The actual upshot is that it’s open source, which will kill a ton of AI startups. I don’t understand why Americans chose this angle to cope