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I don't want to continue this conversation, but the territories China gave to India already contains at least two PLA outposts built post 2020. If they were just some random shitty frozen waste land without any strategic value whatsoever, why did China hold out on this core Indian demand for four years?
Why do you mislead as "gave to India" when the communication clearly says it's patrolled by both sides with a set schedule so that patrols will never be done at the same time?

So what would you think about a 1997 deal with Britain where British garrison and PLA garrison both remain in HK but are not allowed to meet? That'd be Britain gave HK to China right?
 

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the Conservative MP and chairman of the China Research Group, said: “The
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[CCP] poses a growing threat to academic freedom and national security.

“Academics are failing to recognise that education is being weaponised. From research to creating a reliance on Chinese students to freedom of speech, we must recognise academia is not free from national security considerations."

Who really weaponizing education?

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While theh use CN as reason to delay clampdown on foreign lobbying?

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PKK attacks Turkish drone HQ in Ankara. Not sympathetic towards turkey at all, shouldn't have supported Uighur terrorism in China. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
I do not condone terrorism, but these guys had it coming. They've supplied the drones to spot and kill not just Kurds, but also Syrians, Iraqis, Libyans, Russians, and Armenians. They are one of the chief enablers of Erdogan's Turkish imperialism project. This is like some terrorists hitting an office belonging to General Dynamics.

Turkey is also the current homebase of ETIM, so it cannot pretend to be China's genuine friend. Erdogan himself had also failed to confront the true terrorists, the Zionists, so this will become his legacy: a closet pro-Western snake. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
 

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I do not condone terrorism, but these guys had it coming. They've supplied the drones to spot and kill not just Kurds, but also Syrians, Iraqis, Libyans, Russians, and Armenians. They are one of the chief enablers of Erdogan's Turkish imperialism project. This is like some terrorists hitting an office belonging to General Dynamics.

Turkey is also the current homebase of ETIM, so it cannot pretend to be China's genuine friend. Erdogan himself had also failed to confront the true terrorists, the Zionists, so this will become his legacy: a closet pro-Western snake. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Erdogan himself is independent minded but not people I presume most of the people are europhile as Erdogan always raised this visa issues with Europe.
Almost all leaders were using Aurus vehicles in this BRICS summit but Erdo still has to show up in Mercedes. he will ride in smaller Mercedes than real presidential vehicle. I dont think Mercedes is a Turkish brand.
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The President of Turkmenistan was the only one who arrived to Putin's reception in a white Aurus – the other guests had black cars​


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Yeah and? I do not find them at all that threatening, not that I am recommending to let our guard down when it comes to India, heck no. What I am asking is to put things in a proper context and perspective. All I am seeing from some the esteemed members of this forum is the unhinged level of diatribe against a country that's not close to China's comprehensive power. We already know the Indian propensity to exaggerate, to boast, and yes, lie without blinking but such is the current mindset of India or maybe in perpetuity. Again, so freaking what.
Some members come to this forum to vent on the Jai Hinds, because it is practically politically-incorrect to call them out in mainstream spaces. Yet the Jai Hind media have no such restrictions. What I do agree is that we need to moderate our banter with the Jai Hinds, and prevent it from becoming pure hatred. I despise the Jai Hinds, but the world would be so boring without them.

None of India's erstwhile neighbours like her very much or fond of India due to their inherent tendency to dominate and domineer their entire society as if India is acting like their know-it-all boss when its not even capable of running its own domain, let alone another country's. That's how much power it wield within its own region, and somehow some of us here are convince that we need to tackle India in a violent way and dramatic way to teach her a lesson in humility? and what guarantee that such wunderkind plan would pan out the way some of us think it would.
Yes, India is ruled by loincloth imperialists, and nobody in Asia likes them very much. India is a middle power, not a big threat to China, but are still relatively dangerous with the military and nukes that they have. It is not worth it for China to nuke them, but it is very worth it for them to nuke China. They do not have as much influence left in their neighbourhood as in decades past, but they still have the military and economic might to threaten the smaller nations.

I do not advocate for China going out of its way to start armed conflicts with India. But I would advocate for China to keep a sizable military force to deter and threaten India. Just as India have been threatening China's waterways by militarizing the Andaman-Nicobar Islands, and pointing their Agni missiles at Chinese cities.

I much rather China engage India in the manner and context that's fit for her and its people. Let's give that country and people some degree of deference and respect, even if grudgingly.
I understand what China is doing and agree with it from a grand strategy standpoint. Nevertheless, that doesn't mean that people like me are gonna start following in China's footsteps and start giving India respect.

For a country that's supposed to be so shitty, they still managed to outperform the countries in the Global South they are championing in Africa and elsewhere.
I'll disagree with you here. For a country of 1.4bil, with the talent pool they have, the technological and industrial base that they have, and a less challenging geopolitical climate, they are a failure. If India was a country of 200mil population, it would have been behind countries like Nigeria, Brazil, and Indonesia. Does India have all the potential to become a great power? For sure! But it is their failure in governance and mindset that condemns them to their level of achievements. It also does not help that India is an imperialistic nation, albeit with none of the competence of true imperial nations.

I don't want India's entire digital ecosystem to be cemented forever with the West.
Absolutely no! I don't want any shred of India's digital ecosystem in China, or in anywhere else in the East. I don't want to see Gaumutra or dried cow dung for sale on any online stores near me. The West can have all of the Indian digital ecosystem for all I care.

China must be able to penetrate that market for strategic reasons and nothing else. Like a famous quote said: "let your friends close, but keep your enemies closer" which perfectly capture the strategy China must have with India.
Yes, I agree with "keeping your enemies closer", but not too close please. Yes, China should have a piece of India's market to milk them for cash. I enjoy watching India's trade deficit with China grow wider. But business must only be on China's terms, which is transactional only. No ToT or co-development BS. India needs to buy Chinese batteries? Yes, charge them market prices and make money out of them. Hell no to setting up any battery factories or R&D centers in India. That bromance phase is over, and that was 100% India's fault, not China. As long as India continues to discriminate against China, threaten China, and messes around with Xizang, there can be no business-as-usual.
 
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