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Apparently, Iran was a major supporter of Bosnia in the war, sending weapons and "advisers"
So they would vote for Bosnia for historical reasons. It's a vote for Bosnia but not against Serbia.
Of course, they're probably closer to Serbia than Bosnia these days. Strange times
Maybe your location in India has something to do with it?
Interesting. Coincidentally, I had just watched Scott Ritter and Carl Zha arguing passionately over the US vs China war fighting mindset. In that argument Carl Zha also brought up this Mao quote that men, not atom bombs wins wars.
What started this argument was that Carl Zha dismissed the power and relevance of the US today too casually. Ritter, while not a fan of the current US government today is still a boomer, and that triggered him. He ranted about USA #1 for awhile, and after calming down, he said that he is warning people around the world to not push the US into a corner too much too soon. Because there are too many nutjobs like Lindsey Graham and Trump in the halls of power, and they might just go crazy and throw nukes around. But Carl Zha doubts the US nuke threat, called it a bluff, and used that Mao quote too casually. Both Ritter and Zha have flaws in their argument. Ritter thinks that China is getting cocky and is out to get America now. Not true at all. He still doesn't understand China enough. While Zha just dismisses the US threat of war with China too casually. The Americans may be cowards, but their military is still very formidable against China. Now is not the time to dismiss them as a threat. Never underestimate your adversary. Don't make the same big mistake as the Qing Dynasty.
Mao was not wrong, but sometimes people do throw his quotes around too casually. It is true that men win wars, not nukes, but just don't dismiss the nuke threat too easily. Nukes are still controlled by men. The US didn't nuke China during the Mao era because it was just not worth it. Today, it's a different US and China. There are no more WW2 veterans in charge in the US. And China is poised to overtake the US economy and overturn over 200 years of Anglo-European domination of the world. For today, it might just be worth it to nuke China out, if the Western world have already accepted that they are doomed. Ritter was arguing to not dismiss that threat too casually. Because there are preemptive nuclear strike plans against Russia and China and the US is getting more desperate. He mentioned that the US neocons and haters still think that they have a massive warhead count advantage over China. They wet dream a surprise preemptive first strike on China because they think that the US might just fare better in a post nuclear exchange with China. Nobody survives nuclear war. But there are too many idiots in America who think they can.
I have brought up this same neocon viewpoint here about 4-years ago, in the middle of the Covid pandemic. I had argued with some people about the need for China to actually build a credible nuclear deterrence against the US. What China had in 2020 was enough to deter India, but it was still far from enough to deter the US. It still is today. Trump and his MAGA Republicans would sacrifice millions of Americans to Covid, so that they could show the middle finger to China's success at containing Covid. So why should they not do it with nuclear war if they were desperate enough? China should not gamble on the assumption that the leaders in the US are still reasonable people. Minimal deterrence is no longer enough. China has to attempt to achieve parity with the US nuclear arsenal. Only then, could China's deterrence be taken seriously by the American neocons. The good news is that the Chinese leadership is doing exactly that, by expanding its arsenal to 1000 warheads first. I personally believe that they'll go further after that, until they match with the US.
I still remember arguing with one idiot who argued vehemently that China's nuclear arsenal is a just waste of money. That China should actually spend that money on more economic development. If China would not have nukes at all, that'll better. This idealistic idiot is either high on something, or he is actually a hanjian pretending to be concerned for China.
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China is clearly upping their nuke arsenal, so no need to worry about that.
As for the threat of US nukes, well, it isn't as big and threatening as people think (unlikely to change the course of war for US).
And there is multiple reasons for this (from what I've gathered, All their minuteman 3 tests in recent decade has FAILED lol, it does really put in question the ability of their landbased nukes.
Sure you can go on with subs, but it still means a big decrease in nukes).
Other than that, there is also missile AD, where we don't know the complete status for China (shouldn't underestimate though).
And well, nukes against cities aren't as effective and destructive as often portrayed (yes, would still result in lots of deaths, but nowhere near fallout levels or even less destructive protrayals).
The problem is that the US being pushed into a corner means failure to establish an existential threat, regime change, and disintegration of the opposing side. Their corner is submit or die. In Ukraine, it means failure to establish Ukraine into NATO and missiles next to Moscow. Likewise in Asia, that corner is failure to force China into giving control of their economy and foreign policy including Taiwan to the Americans. No one is going to placate these nuts even if it means nuclear annihilation. Especially when the US corner sits on the exact place as the other side core redline in tandem to an existential threat or crisis.
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I think we are not far from an era which US nuclear capability is obsolete. As far as we know, US has no TEL. Their silo based weapons are extremely outdated, most failed last time I checked. Their air defense network is lacking/non-existent. The only good platforms are subs. Once China secures naval supremacy it is over for US. US in current state cannot innovate in missiles anymore. The corruption is too deep. Therefore neither the people nor the atom bomb in US will pose an existential threat in couple years. China will come up on top in a nuclear exchange. Whatever we have lost in the exchange, US will have to compensate. By that I mean all of its territory and its ally's would do.
As for its people, the quality is subpar. The entire economy is based on scam. The only scary part is the delusional boomers in charge. Those are too delusional to placate, too insane to not fight to death. But those will not be living for long. I give it 10 years for those guys to die off, or at least dead to the point of having no influence anymore.
In my opinion, although I've been always supportive of the Chinese government's moves and policies, as you all know, the biggest mistake thus far they ever made was not having enough nukes ALREADY by now. And not building them fast enough now, and not being 'showy' enough with them in general. They probably thought that being "restrained" enough in nuclear policy would get them some points in the RoW, but I think this is probably a total non-factor. But, also the US nuking China over some pride is delusional. The oligarchs that rule the US couldn't give a damn about ideology like that. If their money/power/status is sure to be still saved or promised in some form and to a certain extent even after Chinese victory in the war, they would accept that. Better that, than being dead for some bullshit reason. On the other hand, I would be more worried about Russia, for example, doing some nuclear global armageddon due to nationalism than the US tbh, as they are a real nation, not some artificial quasi-entity like the US.
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