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supersnoop

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Remarkable! Now I understand why he became a diplomat instead of following his dream to become a musician. It all makes sense now

Do any US politicians not realize this song is a rebuke of the American political establishment?

I guess it is pretty much a microcosm of US political engagement

"It's got a catchy chrorus, that's all I need to know"
 

supersnoop

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I'm skeptical that China's retaliation will be reciprocal.

Because Xi isn't going to waste going to waste time making announcements on 100% tariffs on cars not sold in China.

Imagine him holding a press conference announcing that all Chrysler 200's are now subject to a 100% tariff, everyone in attendance is clapping and cheering.

All western commentators would (rightly) call it a stupid propaganda stunt by Xi because the Chrysler 200 is no longer being manufactured and never sold in China. When Biden does it, it's protecting the US economy and taking a hard line against China.

Is anyone still wondering why there is no high speed rail in California yet?
 

siegecrossbow

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Because Xi isn't going to waste going to waste time making announcements on 100% tariffs on cars not sold in China.

Imagine him holding a press conference announcing that all Chrysler 200's are now subject to a 100% tariff, everyone in attendance is clapping and cheering.

All western commentators would (rightly) call it a stupid propaganda stunt by Xi because the Chrysler 200 is no longer being manufactured and never sold in China. When Biden does it, it's protecting the US economy and taking a hard line against China.

Is anyone still wondering why there is no high speed rail in California yet?

China stole it.
 

_killuminati_

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I don't think there's much to be done at the port without the railway link to take care of the cargo. But the railway is being built, so once chabahar is connected to the rest of the country, large scale transport to Russia can commence.
I don't think you understood the idea of existing ports at Bandar Abbas, with an existing rail connection.

The new rail to Chabahar is being completed by Iran alone after it evicted India, the original builder, after it failed to deliver due to US sanctions.

You can use exactly the same arguments as what you use against the port at Gwadar. Why not simply expand Karachi, which wouldn't require building a railway line through a remote region with a terrorism problem?
Karachi cannot simply expand without issue. It did undergo several smaller expansions while Gwadar Port was being built, but it is too congested with it's own and other maritime traffic. That is why they've been moving the expansions out of the city. Besides Gwadar, the closer ports at Ormara and Pasni were also considered for major expansions. Current draught at KP is only 13.5m with an expansion planned to increase it to 16.5m, while Gwadar has an existing natural draught of 18m.

SRC at Bandar Abbas already has an existing 17m draught while Chabahar Port is only 9.3m currently with a yet to be built 16m expansion. There's really no reason for Iran to build a new port other than to develop it's eastern region.
 

supercat

Colonel
An apt depiction of US' trade war against China:

Maiden voyage on the eve of the launch of BYD's Shark pickup truck in Mexico and globally:

Most "China scholars" just don't know better.

The same clown: promoting oral hygiene = colonialism

Culture Revolution is well underway in the US.
 

AndrewS

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Indeed. Blockading the Straits of Malacca and the other straits of Indonesia will result in terrible economic damage to ASEAN. Only Covid has comparable damage. Still, we have observed European leaders shrugging their shoulders when Nord Stream blew up. Or the leaders of Turkey, Egypt, Jordan, and the Gulf States giving only lip service as Israel massacres 30000 Palestinians. So what could we expect from the leaders of ASEAN? From what I suspect, there are ASEAN nations who prefer the status quo or just couldn't give a damn. These nations will either side with the US or just do nothing. Then there are other ASEAN nations who are in a development frenzy right now, helped extensively by China. These nations I think, has at least some motivation to help China out to break a blockade of the SoM.



The key point is that a full blockade of the Malacca Straits would result in serious damage for ASEAN states.
If an exemption is made for ASEAN trade, well, the China-ASEAN trade is already intermixed by the time it reaches the Malacca Straits...

If you look at the ISEAS-Yusof Ishak Institute surveys or the polls of the public, ASEAN states will be neutral, with the possible exception of the Philippines which could join the US. But if the US is blockading the Malacca Straits, those neutral ASEAN states will be leaning towards China.

So what happens to the other nations outside of ASEAN? Their economy will suffer of course. But what would they do? What could we expect the Middle Eastern nations to do? Apart from the Shia Axis nations, the others don't even care about the Israeli genocidal war in Gaza. In the last decade, they were busy trying to kill Shia Muslims Syria. So apart from Iran, and its allies, the rest are hopeless. India? India is one of the most enthusiastic nations to blockade the SoM in order to choke China. India can do stupid and suicidal things to its economy just to poke at its enemies. So India is gonna be a perpetrator or facilitator of the blockade. What about Africa? African nations trade more with China than ASEAN. If anything, trade from Africa could be redirected to ASEAN via China.

The key point is that in the Gaza war, there is minimal economic damage to the Middle East because Gaza is poor and barely has any trade because the Israeli military blockades the Gaza coastline and controls the land borders.

But if the Middle Eastern countries can't sell hydrocarbons to China, nor import Chinese goods, that has a serious effect on them.

If China is being blockaded by the US, then we can expect China to supply large amounts of weapons for a full-scale proxy war in the Middle East. My guess is that we would see US destroyers in the Arabian Gulf being targeted by ASBMs, launched from Iran or even Western China. US bases in the region would be targeted. So would Israel.

And if India joins in, then I can see Indian aircraft carriers being targeted as well.
 

pmc

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I don't think you understood the idea of existing ports at Bandar Abbas, with an existing rail connection.

The new rail to Chabahar is being completed by Iran alone after it evicted India, the original builder, after it failed to deliver due to US sanctions.
Always look at things from Arab perspective as in this part of world hardly anything can succeed if so many countries involved without Arab support. there is no shortage of money to develop it and i would think Arabs will prefer Afghan trade goes through Iran. transport networks on both sides of Caspian going to develop.

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Geological surveys carried out by the Soviet Union in the 1970s and early 1980s confirm the existence of huge reserves of copper (among the largest in Eurasia), iron, high-grade chrome ore, uranium, beryl, barite, lead, zinc, fluorspar, bauxite , lithium, tantalum, emeralds, gold and silver. (Afghanistan, Annual Mining Review, June 1984

These studies suggest that the actual value of these reserves may indeed be substantially greater than the one trillion dollar “estimate” provided by the Pentagon, USCG and USAID study.

The Hindu Kush Mountains, which extend along with their foothills over a large area of Afghanistan, are home to mineral deposits. Over the past 40 years, several dozen deposits have been discovered in Afghanistan, and most of these discoveries have been sensational. However, they were kept secret, but despite this, some facts have recently become known.
It turns out that Afghanistan has reserves of non-ferrous and ferrous metals and precious stones, and if used, they could even cover the proceeds from the drug industry. The Ainak copper deposit in Afghanistan's southern Helmand province is said to be the largest on the Eurasian continent, and its location (40 km from Kabul) makes development cheap. The Hajigak iron ore deposit in the central province of Bamiyan produces ore of unusually high quality, with reserves estimated at 500 million tons. A coal deposit was also discovered not far from there.

Afghanistan is spoken of as a transit country for oil and gas. However, very few people know that Soviet specialists discovered huge gas reserves there in the 1960s and built the country's first gas pipeline to supply gas to Uzbekistan. At that time, the Soviet Union received 2.5 billion cubic meters of Afghan gas per year. During the same period, large deposits of gold, fluorite, barites and marble onyx with very rare patterns were discovered.

However, pegmatite deposits discovered east of Kabul became a real sensation. Rubies, beryllium, emeralds, kunzites and hiddenites that are found nowhere else - deposits of these precious stones stretch for hundreds of kilometers. Also of strategic importance are rocks containing rare metals beryllium, thorium, lithium and tantalum (they are used in aircraft construction and the creation of spacecraft).
Soviet estimates in the 1970s put Afghanistan's “discovered” (proven plus probable) gas reserves at about 5 trillion cubic feet. The initial reserves of Khoja-Gugerdag were estimated at just over 2 trillion cubic meters.” (See “Soviet Union to Retain Influence in Afghanistan,” Oil and Gas Magazine, May 2, 1988).
 

_killuminati_

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Most "China scholars" just don't know better.
Not just "China scholars", but a significant number of all scholars in the West, involved in studying foreign countries, are biased and look at subjects only through a Western, colonial lense. This played an important role in colonialism; to dissuade colonial subjects from revolting, by altering their histories. Colonialism ended (arguable) on paper only - the psyche is still the same, from that age, in politicians and "experts". Pretty much any subject you can find from around the globe that caught the interest of these scholars will portray only their own logic and disregard every other perception, especially one that contradicts their own.
 
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