AEGIS and AEGIS Like escort combatants of the World

Ultra said:

It seems that Project 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov" qualifies the "Aegis-like" ship almost to the T - except it uses PAR instead of AESA.

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AESA is a type of PAR.

But I agree that the gorshkov class definitely qualifies as an aegis style ship.

Any surface combatant with an advanced fixed or rotating PAR, VLS, combat management system, and data linking system could conceivably be seen as aegis like.

Japanese AEGIS Like DDG, i have a graphic only for Kongo Class

- Kongo class, 4 units, it is a Burke Fl I without hangar for helos like it, build locally all are ABM use SM-3.

- Atago Class, 2 units, 2 others planned, it is a Burke Fl IIa/Austin with a hangar like it, carry one SH-60K equivalent US MH-60R build locally only difference better armed with 8 ssm Type 90 SSM-1B Japanese
right now don't use SM-3 as Kongo, later get it.

- Akizuki Class, 4 units, more small, bodyguard of ABM Kongo with their ESSM.

Homeport :
Yokosuka :
Kongō class : Kirishima, DDG-174 きりしま
Akizuki class : Teruzuki DD116 てるづき）

Sasebo
Atago class : Ashigara, DDG-178 あしがら
Kongō class : Kongō, DDG-173 こんごう, Chōkai, DDG-176 ちょうかい
Akizuki class : Akizuki DD115 あきづき

Kure
Akizuki class : Suzutsuki DD-117 すずつき

Maizuru
Atago class : Atago, DDG-177 あたご
Kongō class : Myōkō, DDG-175 みょうこう
Akizuki class : Fuyuzuki DD-118 ふゆづき

Bltizo said:

AESA is a type of PAR.

But I agree that the gorshkov class definitely qualifies as an aegis style ship.

Any surface combatant with an advanced fixed or rotating PAR, VLS, combat management system, and data linking system could conceivably be seen as aegis like.

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This is why I do like like to use the word AEGIS because it confuses the heck out of people. AEGIS is the entire combat system which so happens comprises the S-band PARs (AN/SPY-1X) arrays as their primary surveillance and tracking component.
AEGIS does not necessarily mean a ship that has PESA panels on them.

I can wire a PESA panel onto a WWII frigate does not make it an AEGIS or even an AEGIS like ship.

Anyway sorry for the rant and hope I didn't offend anyone with my nitpicking .

kwaigonegin said:

This is why I do like like to use the word AEGIS because it confuses the heck out of people. AEGIS is the entire combat system which so happens comprises the S-band PARs (AN/SPY-1X) arrays as their primary surveillance and tracking component.
AEGIS does not necessarily mean a ship that has PESA panels on them.

I can wire a PESA panel onto a WWII frigate does not make it an AEGIS or even an AEGIS like ship.

Anyway sorry for the rant and hope I didn't offend anyone with my nitpicking .

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Well, I think of Aegis in two ways.
There is an Aegis ship, as in an Aegis type ship equipped with advanced PAR, VLS, multirole (but possibly focus on AAW), datalinking, and advanced combat management system. In that sense, if a WWII surface combatant (let's say a cruiser) was refitted with SPY-1s, a half dozen 8 cell Mk-41 modules, and overhauled with an entirely new combat system and C4I system then it could technically be considered an Aegis ship.
Aegis (TM) on the other hand is the specific system and/or system of systems offered by LockMart.

In other words, I see the word Aegis used in a similar generalized way to how Dreadnought was used for all battleships designed in a similar fashion in the footsteps of the revolutionary HMS Dreadnought. That is to say, the word was originally only limited in use to one particular type of ship (or in the case of Aegis, one type of combat system/capability), but has now been generalized to mean all ships which have those particular capabilities.

Ultra said:

I did a cursory search and I am curious why isn't Russian's Project 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov" not included here?

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Because when this thread was started in 2007, Project 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov" had not even been announced or started building.

That's why.

We are discussing it on this thread precisely because it is AEGIS-like.

I will be adding it soon to my site (which was the impetus for this thread),

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precisely because it is AEGIS-like.

IMHO, it is the first Russian vessel that is really AEGIS-like, though we do not know the specifics of its battle management system and software, which is a critical component.

South Korean and Chinese :

South Korea :

- Sejong the Great, 3 units, Burke Fl IIa derivative, more large, with 149 missiles the most powerful ships in the world after the Russian CGN Petr Velikiy.

Homeport :
Jinhae : 2
Pusan : 1



PLAN :

- 5 Type 052C, Lujiang II use HQ-9 in revolver VLS as SA-N-6/20 and use AESA radars Type 346 seems get a surveillance range of 450 km.
- 1 Type 052D, Lujiang III use a new VLS versatile, a new gun of 130 mm, use AESA radars Type 346A more large, 25 %, as 346 seems get a surveillance range of 560 km.

Homeport :

Dinghai-Yadangshan : 3 Type 052C, soon a 4th.
Yalong Bay : 2 Type 052C, 1 Type 052D will be 4.

Forbin, what is the basis of your range estimate for Type 346/346A? Thanks.

shen said:

Forbin, what is the basis of your range estimate for Type 346/346A? Thanks.

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450km was the often cited range for 346, I think commonly sourced from the original wikipedia article which seemed to have been written by someone with knowledge even though it lacked "credible" references.

I think his estimate for 346A is just scaling up the range as a relation of array area/size. Of course, it's not a fool proof estimate and for all we know they could've changed the type of TR modules or better software may have improved performance to a bigger degree.

USS John Paul Jones (DDG 53) Destroyer with AEGIS Baseline 9 Scores Historic Flight Test Mission

Sailors aboard the USS John Paul Jones (DDG 53) in partnership with U.S. Pacific Command and the Missile Defense Agency (MDA) successfully executed Flight Test Standard Missile-25 (FTM-25), the first live-fire event in the integrated air and missile defense radar priority mode to engage a ballistic missile target and a raid of cruise missile targets with its AEGIS Combat System, announced Program Executive Office Integrated Warfare Systems (PEO IWS), Nov. 20.

DDG 53 engaged three successful near-simultaneous target shots over the Pacific Ocean by the Aegis Baseline 9.C1 (BMD 5.0 Capability Upgrade) Weapon System. One short-range ballistic missile target was intercepted by a Standard Missile-3 Block IB guided missile, while two low-flying cruise missile targets were engaged by Standard Missile-2 Block IIIA guided missiles.

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shen said:

Forbin, what is the basis of your range estimate for Type 346/346A? Thanks.

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Article read in this magazine DSI n°108, novembre 2014
Look also here http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/navy/plan-type-052c-052d-class-destroyers-34-6881.html#post312224