COMAC C919

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gelgoog

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FairAndUnbiased said:
I don't think Russians will buy too many C919, they have unusual requirements and will probably be best served by their own Tu-204 or upgrades, maybe using Chinese components.
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The Russians would be buying the C919 now if it was sanction proof without imported Western components.

The MC-21 was supposed to only fill like half the Russian aviation market in its segment. And half of those MC-21 aircraft were supposed to use Western engines. They just don't have the capacity to fulfill demand as it is. It will require huge investments.
 
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gelgoog said:
The Russians would be buying the C919 now if it was sanction proof without imported Western components.

The MC-21 was supposed to only fill like half the Russian aviation market in its segment. And half of those MC-21 aircraft were supposed to use Western engines. They just don't have the capacity to fulfill demand as it is. It will require huge investments.
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maybe MS-21 can replace some of its Western companies with Chinese ones instead of waiting for fully domestic replacement to ramp up

The problem with C919 going full domestic is that they are not under immediate pressure to do so. Companies tends to drag feet on things like this when they don't feel immediate pressure
jli88 said:
It's not about Nigeria per se. It's about drawing the line. AVIC sold a lot of M60 in various poor places like Cambodia, Myanmar and a lot of them had incidents, many due to human errors, but the blame obviously comes on AVIC too.

The countries' population and economy shouldn't matter, only their track record and experience of actually maintaining and operating aircraft.

Maybe Nigeria is okay, maybe its not. But no need to rush. There's no benefit of selling these aircrafts at a cost (let's face it, it will require substantial subsidy in initial years to force someone to choose C919 over Boeing/Airbus) when these countries go out there and crash it as well. One incident and that will be featuring in the news with every C919 report for a decade. Not worth it.

For aviation, approach should be from top down. Go into premium markets first, obviously depending on certification and other things.

Chinese domestic market is more than enough to sustain C919 (and then C929) for over a decade. Then head out to friendly countries which have good rep --> Malaysia, Indonesia, Russia for instance.
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You should be careful with what you are saying about some countries, because it may come off quite racist.

Both Malaysia and Indonesia have had infamous crashes in past 10 years. I don't know why you would use them as your golden standard.
 
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tphuang said:
The problem with C919 going full domestic is that they are not under immediate pressure to do so. Companies tends to drag feet on things like this when they don't feel immediate pressure
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sir, COMAC is indeed not under pressure to go fully 100 percent domestic.. but they are aware of changing geopolitical situation and sanctions on other Chinese high tech companies .. so domestic replacement is underway since 2020 for all core components..

in October, 2023. there was a high level meeting in between COMAC and local government.
 
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tphuang said:
maybe MS-21 can replace some of its Western companies with Chinese ones instead of waiting for fully domestic replacement to ramp up
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It is probably happening to a degree with some parts used to make components.

For what it's worth Yakolev tried to use Chinese composites in the MC-21. But back then the composite materials they could import were not of adequate quality.

Buying whole components likely won't happen. If the Chinese component supply was good enough why did COMAC do joint ventures with Western companies to make most of the systems in the C919? And it is fairly safe to say that the companies in those joint ventures won't be interested in rupturing the relation they have with the Western companies to supply to Russia.

tphuang said:
The problem with C919 going full domestic is that they are not under immediate pressure to do so. Companies tends to drag feet on things like this when they don't feel immediate pressure
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I have to say that I agree. It is not part of the original plan either. Only supposed to happen in like the 2030 from what I gather.
 
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sunnymaxi said:
sir, COMAC is indeed not under pressure to go fully 100 percent domestic.. but they are aware of changing geopolitical situation and sanctions on other Chinese high tech companies .. so domestic replacement is underway since 2020 for all core components..

in October, 2023. there was a high level meeting in between COMAC and local government.
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many of these things are not up to COMAC itself, but rather airlines. Airlines have to select CJ1000 for CJ1000 to be installed on C919. That's going to take some convincing. You are already dealing with a new airliner project and now you also have to work with parts which you may not feel confident about. Remember, airlines already have relationship with all these Western suppliers due to A320s and 737s they have. Having additional suppliers and maintenance team for them increase cost.

That's why Suparna airlines going fully C919 is really good news. They are going to get rid of the Boeing aircraft so they can just transition all their mechanics, technicians to work on C919 and the parts of C919
 
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