Ukraine Revolt/Civil War News, Reports, Data, etc.

Apr 4, 2015
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I wonder what a rouge unit would be called if it refused, but kept fighting against Ukraine ... Double Bandits maybe? :)

currently there has (had?) been "a standoff situation" related to Separatists' "Troy" Special Unit:
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which, while located in
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region:​
  • is probably Company-sized (up to 200 Fighters), but apparently well-armed;
  • holds the defense lines against Ukrainians AND
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    assumes perimeter-defense against (the rest of) Separatists' Forces demanding their surrender
sources, from gazeta.ru
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up to "Cassad"
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contain accusations which I'm not going to translate, but I'm going to post what's happened to "Double Bandits"
 
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delft

Brigadier
Why the West – Not Putin – Is Responsible for the Ukraine Crisis, lecture by John Mearsheimer

Very interesting. He shows a hybrid way of thinking, reasoning that Russia can and would expect from an occupation of Ukraine a similar result as Napoleon got from the war in Spain, the war that gave us the word guerrilla but also that Russia would feel threatened by China and would cooperate with an uncontained US to contain China. China as well as Russia has seen result of the Soviet and US war in Afghanistan, the US war in Iraq and, longer ago, against Vietnam and is determined not to go in for military adventurism, a term also used by the Soviet military in whose life the Afghan war was a strange aberration.
Besides which trying to contain China would for Russia have an economic price.
 

delft

Brigadier
Today my favourite radio station carries the news that a former Ukrainian state secretary for transport claims that Ukraine has the radar pictures of the shooting down of MH17 complete with the trajectory of the missile but that the Netherlands never asked for them. As the Ukraine was included with the Netherlands, Malaysia and Australia in the investigation group this is entirely incredible. If these pictures exist now they must have been manufactured during the last year and a halve.
 
Very interesting. He shows a hybrid way of thinking, reasoning that Russia can and would expect from an occupation of Ukraine a similar result as Napoleon got from the war in Spain, the war that gave us the word guerrilla but also that Russia would feel threatened by China and would cooperate with an uncontained US to contain China. China as well as Russia has seen result of the Soviet and US war in Afghanistan, the US war in Iraq and, longer ago, against Vietnam and is determined not to go in for military adventurism, a term also used by the Soviet military in whose life the Afghan war was a strange aberration.
Besides which trying to contain China would for Russia have an economic price.

John Mearsheimer is a big picture strategist. He is pushing a tough sell to that Polish audience though, telling them essentially to lay off of Russia (in reality it would have to be accommodation beyond merely not pressuring) so Russia can be recruited against China. He is also trying to tell them to be more wary of China than of Russia. That makes sense for the US, not so much for Poland.
 
Jan 30, 2016
... I'm going to post what's happened to "Double Bandits"
from what I figured, they were disarmed during last weekend, but then
  1. pro-"Troy" sources were saying nobody was KIA
  2. Ukrainian source were saying tens of people were KIA
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    didn't say anything
  4. "Cassad" said he didn't know:
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    and
  5. the official Russian sources (originally reporting on this
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    ) didn't say even that
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Janiz

Senior Member
Things are going smoothly in Donetsk. Many rebel supporters liked USSR times a lot so they figured out that they should introduce some glorious traditions coming from those times in today's world!

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for those who remember the fights ... Russian guys found out some Ukrainian guys had identified the following 14 ballistic missiles (based on the debris found: the third column below gives the serial#) out of about 40 lobbed by the Ukrainians:
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(the difference between the two Tochkas ... well ... 9M79M is the third, and 9M79-1 the fifth from the left:
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20 months later after the incident and investigation. Where is US Secretary of State John Kerry's proof or is this another US Secretary of State Colin Powell moment?

“We picked up the imagery of this launch. We know the trajectory. We know where it came from. We know the timing, and it was exactly at the time that this aircraft disappeared from the radar,” said US Secretary of State John Kerry in an interview with David Gregory of NBC's Meet the Press in July 2014.

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Dutch MPs slam secrecy, question lack of evidence in MH17 investigation
Edited time: 3 Mar, 2016 12:07

Dutch lawmakers have questioned the course of the investigation into the MH17 crash in Ukraine, highlighting innuendos in the Dutch Safety Board report, and lack of raw data despite US claims of picking up “imagery” as the jet disappeared from radars.

Dutch MPs have held a parliamentary debate on the investigation into the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 in eastern Ukraine on July 17, 2014 that killed all 298 on board, most of them citizens of the Netherlands.

In particular, the Tuesday discussion focused on the final report into the causes of the incident issued by the Dutch Safety Board last October, and the recent chief prosecutor’s letter which revealed the investigation has no raw radar data, useful footage or satellite images of the missile launch.

During the debate, Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte’s government insisted that there was already enough information for a criminal investigation into the crash, while Dutch opposition lawmakers questioned innuendos and a lack of firm evidence.

Among the questions raised by Dutch MPs was an issue concerning raw radar data and satellite imagery that the United States claimed to have in its possession and which it called strong evidence.

“We picked up the imagery of this launch. We know the trajectory. We know where it came from. We know the timing, and it was exactly at the time that this aircraft disappeared from the radar,” said US Secretary of State John Kerry in an interview with David Gregory of NBC's Meet the Press in July 2014.

The reason why Dutch investigators apparently haven’t seen that data was questioned during the parliamentary debate: “So our question is, why has [it] not been asked what information they had because Kerry literally says: we saw it “disappear from the radar” screens,” said Pieter Omtzigt of the of the Christian Democratic Appeal.

The Dutch Minister of Security and Justice Ard van der Steur in response argued that the Safety Board on one hand “stated in their report that they themselves did not ask for this data” while on the other the investigators “were given insight into the information distributed to the by the Americans via the Military Intelligence Services.”

Meanwhile, Washington officials have failed to clarify to what extent alleged US intelligence was shared with the investigation.

“I believe we have collaborated with the Dutch in their investigation,” State Department spokesperson Mark Toner told RT’s Gayane Chichakyan. “I just don’t know to what level we shared information with them, I’d have to look into that.”

he evidence provided by Ukraine has also raised questions during the debate, in particular the lack of raw radar data, which was unavailable because the military radar was allegedly switched off and the primary civil radar was allegedly on maintenance, according to Kiev’s claims.

“We know that a part of the information we received from Ukraine is incorrect,” Omtzigt said, referring to Kiev’s conflicting statements and noting that secrecy over the evidence used in the investigation complicates the issue even further.

Meanwhile, Henricus van Bommel of the Socialist Party wondered how can it be possible that “Ukraine did not notify the European Air Traffic Organization ‘EuroControl’ about the fact that the radars were switched off, while this should have been done. How do you react to this?”

Van Bommel also called it “weird” that in contradiction to Washington’s claims of having the imagery of the missile launch, the Public Prosecution Service now admits that no “useful” data exists as the day the MH17 was shot down was “cloudy.”

 
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