What happened to objectivity and neutrality?

At least be consistent when using a perma-ban. And no, I'm not calling for the banning of a member, just pointing out the inconsistency.




@Webmaster @T-U-P @Blitzo @siegecrossbow @tphuang

Are you a teenager or something? First off, this isn't a court of law. Second off, there is this thing called 'discretion'. Finally, mods are humans not robots or AI that have set programming.

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Another pointless argument.

Eh, what's the big fuss? The member you are talking about is a huge contributor to the forum so of course there is more leniency.

if other members want similar treatment, they can up their game too. If they don't want, or can't, they should at least be self-aware and behave appropriately. Dunno why there is even this discussion tbh, basic stuff that you learn while growing up.

No contribution, no corresponding benefits

Are you really comparing a high-quality meaningful contributor like By78 to a low-effort concern troll like SinoSoldier which are a dime-a-dozen? There is no comparison...that is not saying By78 is perfect by any means.

If we're lamenting the "loss" of SinoSoldier (an Indian larping Taiwanese) and equating that person's actual racist views and illiterate musings on China's political dynamics, erroneous assumptions about Chinese people's sentiments, preferences that don't contribute much to anything substantive or even bring about a more nuanced calibrated discussion about anything China related topics then is his loss really a loss in the first place?

The man has been a member of this forum for eons and one would have assumed that he could have learned to become more reasonable, respectful,TACTFUL with his personal comments that dive into CHINESE INTERNAL POLITICS and other issues that frankly he should have at least been somewhat informed to a reasonable degree. The fact that his years of being a member of this forum didn't contribute anything meaningful or learn something of value therefore respect even if those things are anathema to his preferred views whatever they maybe should tell you and us something incredibly significant. And that is he's a Dogmatic IDEOLOGUE.

This is from our discussion among moderators and I think people should keep this in mind.

This is a forum with a specific purpose (professional discussion on Chinese military). Moderations are done to best achieve this purpose; we are not a court of law. The decision to permanently ban someone is solely based on how much disruption that member created to move this forum away from its intended purpose. Key contributing members would naturally have more leeway when it comes to permanent bans as we want to keep them in this forum and continue contributing. They would, however, still receive warnings or temporary bans when they step out of the line.

Under this system, it is obvious that a member who is a key contributor to information in our professional discussion would get more leniency compared to someone that spends 90%+ of his/her time in Member's Club Room posting political memes. At the end of the day, my suggestion for members is that if you don't contribute enough positively, then please don't contribute negatively.

sequ said:

At least be consistent when using a perma-ban. And no, I'm not calling for the banning of a member, just pointing out the inconsistency.

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@Webmaster @T-U-P @Blitzo @siegecrossbow @tphuang

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It's actually entirely consistent, because there is a difference between banning a member who has in the past made racially charged remarks that caused in a ban, returned with very obvious political concern trolling, and then has chosen to use an unrelated public loss of life in a snide remark for the airshow... versus a member who is consistently one of the highest quality posters on the forum in terms of image posting, and whose previous warnings by moderators were due to his desire to make other people step up their image posting game and competency.


In fact, I would consider the moderation decisions to be quite generous, as there are a few members here who contribute little and cause disruptions to this forum and who still are allowed to remain -- not naming any names of course!

The only reason it seems inconsistent to you, is because technically in this forum there is no outright rule against stupidity.
If there was, then there would be quite a few members that would be outright banned and a few that would be considered as more valued forum members.
And if this all seems unfair, then I would encourage one to recall the purpose of this forum is in pursuant of competent PLA watching.
We do not expect everyone to provide high quality imagery or hard hitting analysis -- one can lurk and read, one can ask questions and learn, but if one contributes nothing and has a consistent and obvious history of starting fights and lighting fires, then such a person is of no value to the forum and are an active detriment.

tphuang said:

This is from our discussion among moderators and I think people should keep this in mind.

This is a forum with a specific purpose (professional discussion on Chinese military). Moderations are done to best achieve this purpose; we are not a court of law. The decision to permanently ban someone is solely based on how much disruption that member created to move this forum away from its intended purpose. Key contributing members would naturally have more leeway when it comes to permanent bans as we want to keep them in this forum and continue contributing. They would, however, still receive warnings or temporary bans when they step out of the line.

Under this system, it is obvious that a member who is a key contributor to information in our professional discussion would get more leniency compared to someone that spends 90%+ of his/her time in Member's Club Room posting political memes. At the end of the day, my suggestion for members is that if you don't contribute enough positively, then please don't contribute negatively.

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Could you put this caveat in the forum rules? "You get perma banned after 3 temporary bans unless: (reasons)"

sequ said:

Could you put this caveat in the forum rules? "You get perma banned after 3 temporary bans unless: (reasons)"

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This will give people a desire to try to game the system, and furthermore there will always be exceptions to the rules.

You seem to be under the impression that the rules exist for the sake of being 100% internally consistent, rather than existing to ensure that this forum becomes a place for competent PLA watching/Chinese military watching.


I would also add that you should be aware of this, from the forum rules:
"Arguing with a moderator in open threads will be cause for warnings or suspensions depending on the severity."