US Commando Raid kills 8 in Syria.

Baibar of Jalat

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In matter of months US has violated Pakistani and now Syrian territory. In my opinion, US should not overestimate the decisiveness of its military strength because global politics is not a santised labratory where scientists can make informed predictions. Global politics is messy and unpredictable. This will serve to strengthen mistrust between the two nations after a relative thaw in relations. The best bet for Syria is to ask Iran to make sure its Iranian frendily govt does not allow US a permanent base in Iraq.



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8 reportedly killed in U.S. raid inside Syria
Syrian news sources say the attack also wounded 14 people near the Iraqi border. U.S. military representatives do not deny the raid.
By Borzou Daragahi
1:20 PM PDT, October 26, 2008
REPORTING FROM BEIRUT -- U.S. aircraft crossed five miles into Syrian air space today and launched a commando raid that left at least eight people dead near the Iraqi border, Syrian news outlets and sources reported.

The reported attack also injured as many as 14 people, according to Syria's private Dunya television station.


Details were sketchy. In Washington, several military representatives asked about the operation did not deny that a raid had taken place. Although they would not confirm the attack, they used language typically employed after raids conducted by secretive Special Operations forces.

Damascus' official Syrian Arab News Agency said U.S. military helicopters entered Syria along the Iraqi border in Bukamal near the town of Deir Ezzor, which is considered a haven for Sunni Arab militants infiltrating Iraq.

Deir Ezzor, in eastern Syria, is also near the site of a Sept. 6, 2007, Israeli air strike on what U.S. officials have claimed was a plutonium plant built with the assistance of North Korea.


The Syrian news agency said four U.S. helicopters crossed into Syrian airspace around 4:45 p.m. local time and fired on a number of people who appeared to be laborers at their jobs on the second day of the Syrian workweek.

"All victims were civilians," the Dunya report said.

Witnesses told media that two helicopters landed and eight U.S. soldiers disembarked. Syrian state television said they stormed a building.

The attack, if confirmed, would appear to mark the first time during the 5-year-old Iraq war that U.S. troops have launched an attack inside Syria.

U.S. officials have often accused Syria of allowing Sunni Arab insurgents to cross the porous frontier into Iraq and wreak havoc. But such allegations have subsided in recent months as violence in Iraq has decreased and Damascus and Washington have begun taking steps toward rapprochement.

Syrian foreign minister Walid Moallem met briefly with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice last month.

Daragahi is a Times staff writer.

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Staff writer Julian E. Barnes in Washington and special correspondent Ziad Haidar in London contributed to this report.
 

bd popeye

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The best bet for Syria is to ask Iran to make sure its Iranian frendily govt does not allow US a permanent base in Iraq.

How is Iran going to do that? Personally I don't see it happening.

Here's another report from a different source.

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US special forces launch rare attack inside Syria

By ALBERT AJI, Associated Press Writer Albert Aji, Associated Press Writer – 13 mins ago

DAMASCUS, Syria – U.S. military helicopters launched an extremely rare attack Sunday on Syrian territory close to the border with Iraq, killing eight people in a strike the government in Damascus condemned as "serious aggression."

A U.S. military official said the raid by special forces targeted the foreign fighter network that travels through Syria into Iraq. The Americans have been unable to shut the network down in the area because Syria was out of the military's reach.

"We are taking matters into our own hands," the official told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the political sensitivity of cross-border raids.

The attack came just days after the commander of U.S. forces in western Iraq said American troops were redoubling efforts to secure the Syrian border, which he called an "uncontrolled" gateway for fighters entering Iraq.

A Syrian government statement said the helicopters attacked the Sukkariyeh Farm near the town of Abu Kamal, five miles inside the Syrian border. Four helicopters attacked a civilian building under construction shortly before sundown and fired on workers inside, the statement said.

The government said civilians were among the dead, including four children.

A resident of the nearby village of Hwijeh said some of the helicopters landed and troops exited the aircraft and fired on a building. He said the aircraft flew along the Euphrates River into the area of farms and several brick factories. The witness spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information,

Syria's Foreign Ministry said it summoned the charges d'affaires of the United States and Iraq to protest against the strike.

"Syria condemns this aggression and holds the American forces responsible for this aggression and all its repercussions. Syria also calls on the Iraqi government to shoulder its responsibilities and launch and immediate investigation into this serious violation and prevent the use of Iraqi territory for aggression against Syria," the government statement said.

The area targeted is near the Iraqi border city of Qaim, which had been a major crossing point for fighters, weapons and money coming into Iraq to fuel the Sunni insurgency.

Iraqi travelers making their way home across the border reported hearing many explosions, said Farhan al-Mahalawi, mayor of Qaim.

On Thursday, U.S. Maj. Gen. John Kelly said Iraq's western borders with Saudi Arabia and Jordan were fairly tight as a result of good policing by security forces in those countries but that Syria was a "different story."

"The Syrian side is, I guess, uncontrolled by their side," Kelly said. "We still have a certain level of foreign fighter movement."

He added that the U.S. was helping construct a sand berm and ditches along the border.

"There hasn't been much, in the way of a physical barrier, along that border for years," Kelly said.

The foreign fighters network sends militants from North Africa and elsewhere in the Middle East to Syria, where elements of the Syrian military are in league with al-Qaida and loyalists of Saddam Hussein's Baath party, the U.S. military official said.

He said that while American forces have had considerable success, with Iraqi help, in shutting down the "rat lines" in Iraq, and with foreign government help in North Africa, the Syrian node has been out of reach.

"The one piece of the puzzle we have not been showing success on is the nexus in Syria," the official said.

The White House in August approved similar special forces raids from Afghanistan across the border of Pakistan to target al-Qaida and Taliban operatives. At least one has been carried out.

The flow of foreign fighters into Iraq has been cut to an estimated 20 a month, a senior U.S. military intelligence official told the Associated Press in July. That's a 50 percent decline from six months ago, and just a fifth of the estimated 100 foreign fighters who were infiltrating Iraq a year ago, according to the official.

Ninety percent of the foreign fighters enter through Syria, according to U.S. intelligence. Foreigners are some of the most deadly fighters in Iraq, trained in bomb-making and with small-arms expertise and more likely to be willing suicide bombers than Iraqis.

Foreign fighters toting cash have been al-Qaida in Iraq's chief source of income. They contributed more than 70 percent of operating budgets in one sector in Iraq, according to documents captured in September 2007 on the Syrian border. Most of the fighters were conveyed through professional smuggling networks, according to the report.

Iraqi insurgents seized Qaim in April 2005, forcing U.S. Marines to recapture the town the following month in heavy fighting. The area became secure only after Sunni tribes in Anbar turned against al-Qaida in late 2006 and joined forces with the Americans.

Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moallem accused the United States earlier this year of not giving his country the equipment needed to prevent foreign fighters from crossing into Iraq. He said Washington feared Syria could use such equipment against Israel.

Though Syria has long been viewed by the U.S. as a destabilizing country in the Middle East, in recent months, Damascus has been trying to change its image and end years of global seclusion.

Its president, Bashar Assad, has pursued indirect peace talks with Israel, mediated by Turkey, and says he wants direct talks next year. Syria also has agreed to establish diplomatic ties with Lebanon, a country it used to dominate both politically and militarily, and has worked harder at stemming the flow of militants into Iraq.

The U.S. military in Baghdad did not immediately respond to a request for comment after Sunday's raid.

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Associated Press reporter Pamela Hess in Washington and Sam F. Ghattas in Beirut contributed to this report
 

yehe

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I think what US did is the absolutely right thing to do, when u get info of a threat, u act on it, you don't wait days for diplomatic crap.
 

bd popeye

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I think what US did is the absolutely right thing to do, when u get info of a threat, u act on it, you don't wait days for diplomatic crap.

I agree. In fact the US could have acted some time ago but waited until today. Perhaps they want to start wiping out the last remnats of insurgents crossing the border in that area of Iraq.
 

Baibar of Jalat

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How is Iran going to do that? Personally I don't see it happening.

Here's another report from a different source.

Its common knowledge all the current top shite politicians (secular or islamic) spent time in Iran. All are pro Iranian. I should have made it clear Iran has already put pressure on Iraqi politicians to prevent establishment of permanent base. Furthurmore US envisaged mega bases permanently in Iraq this looks unlikely as time goes by, maybe small bases that are designed for training as opposed to power projection.

Yehe
I think you fail to relise what I said in origional post. US is not all powerful, its competators have an advantage, when it comes to affairs in neighbouring countries. Look at Central Asia, diplomatically its presence is not as strong as Russia. Even with 100,000 plus troops in Iraq, Iran has managed to place top supporters in top positions.

Syria is gonna be Iraq's neighbour for many decades to come. How long US is prepared to be in Iraq? Certainly not as long as syria is planning to be Iraq's neighbour.
 
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Maggern

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Oh well...I guess the US has overstepped the UN Charter and International Law in general so many times another time won't do any difference.

Of course it's not preferable to let the threat exist only because it's on the other side of a border, but any government is responsible for the people operating within its territory. If the Syrian government does have control over this area (which I recon i has, it's not a failed state or anything), then the US should deal with the Syrian government, not just pretend the border or the government doesn't exist and act unilaterally. If the US can prove the Syrians have no control over these border areas, then the US should by all means move in and bring order. Of course given that they get support for this by the UN.
 

pla101prc

Senior Member
lol i'll have to disagree with a few of you up there.
this is obviously not a simple raid because there are insurgents there. all this stuff is timed to something bigger. like the israeli airstrike on syria last year or two years ago i forgot when it was. this has a lot to do with the bigger picture so it cant be viewed as an isolated incident
 
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