US Air Force airmen being used for ground ops

The_Zergling

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Every couple of weeks I have the pleasure of briefing Ellsworth Air Force Base's newest first-term Airmen. Every time I brief these young Airmen, I make the point that the majority of our day-to-day focus here in the 28th Bomb Wing is to put "Bombs on Target from B-1 Bombers."

However, since Sept. 11 many Ellsworth Airmen have participated in combat operations that do not have anything to do with putting bombs on target from B-1s. In fact, Airmen from across Ellsworth have filled ground force combat gaps and taken part in harrowing firefights and missions in support of ground (mostly Army) forces through "in-lieu-of" taskings. I deeply respect the Airmen from Ellsworth who are, in many cases, heroically supporting our current wars on the ground. It is a fortunate situation that Air Force Airmen can support the joint fight and add to America's security in ways we did not imagine in the past. It is also fortunate for the other services' ground forces that we can "prop up" their capabilities by supporting them through these "in-lieu-of" taskings.

These kinds of taskings are not what most of us expected when we joined the Air Force. However, these are taskings that we are now being given and it is reassuring to me that we, as professional Airmen, will continue to carry them out with the same professionalism and dedication we aspire to when we "put bombs on target" from B-1s. This dedication and professionalism is what makes me feel fortunate to be part of the Ellsworth team and a Service, the U.S. Air Force, which has so selflessly supported these taskings. However, at some point the military community as a whole will need to take a hard look at the "in-lieu-of" taskings concept, and determine if Airmen should continue to perform these kinds of taskings.

There's the rest of the transcript in the link I provided, it is certainly disturbing when you have pilots doing what marines should be doing; while it's good that they're helping out where they can, it certainly seems like a waste of resources and a situation that might be potentially dangerous if any state should threaten the US from the air.
 

bd popeye

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Re: US Air Force pilots being used for ground ops

Whoa , whoa whoa.."Z" those are not piolts being used in the manner described. They are enlisted men. The USAF would not waste the training of a pilot on a this job. Enlisted menin the USAF are called Airmen.

USAF & USN have augmentees assigned to US Army and USMC units for security.

The USN has a program for indivuals designated for assignement to Iraq or Afghanstain in a security role.

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They are called Navy Individual Augmentees. I know it's hard for you to believe but most of the USN indivual augmentees are volunteers.

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The_Zergling

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Re: US Air Force pilots being used for ground ops

Whoa , whoa whoa.."Z" those are not piolts being used in the manner described. They are enlisted men. The USAF would not waste the training of a pilot on a this job. Enlisted menin the USAF are called Airmen.

You're right, I mixed up the difference between airmen and pilot... thanks for pointing that out!
 

bd popeye

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Re: US Air Force pilots being used for ground ops

You're right, I mixed up the difference between airmen and pilot... thanks for pointing that out!

It's cool!:D Personally I do not like either the USN or USAF augmentee program. It really shows the Bush administration shortsideness on this war in Iraq.

You don't see the US Army deploying on ships instead of sailors. Fortunatley the US Army and USMC are requesting to beef up their forces by several thousand.

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BLUEJACKET

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I also seen on the news sometime ago that the Navy EOD teams were in Iraq to help with IEDs. Plus, Hospital Corpmen always deploy with Marines, not to mention the CBs that build bases & airfields!
 

bd popeye

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I also seen on the news sometime ago that the Navy EOD teams were in Iraq to help with IEDs. Plus, Hospital Corpmen always deploy with Marines, not to mention the CBs that build bases & airfields!

So true BLUEJACKET. But the USN EOD are always deployed in these sorts of engaugements. And of course the SEABEES are everywhere!
 
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BLUEJACKET

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Also, for those who don't know, the Marines are part of the Navy, and they are/were fighting far from any beach in many wars, "conflicts" and "police actions" -lately in Afghanistan and Iraq. There wer/are also riverine ops in Vietnam and Iraq, and it's not the Army conducting them!
 

Finn McCool

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Also, for those who don't know, the Marines are part of the Navy, and they are/were fighting far from any beach in many wars, "conflicts" and "police actions" -lately in Afghanistan and Iraq. There wer/are also riverine ops in Vietnam and Iraq, and it's not the Army conducting them!

In Iraq Navy personnal patrol the rivers and train the Iraqis to do the same. Its very similar to the riverine patrol mission in Vietnam, just of much smaller scale. The insurgents use the rivers to smuggle weapons quite bit.
 

bd popeye

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In Iraq, Navy personnal patrol the rivers and train the Iraqis to do the same. Its very similar to the riverine patrol mission in Vietnam, just of much smaller scale. The insurgents use the rivers to smuggle weapons quite bit.

So true Finn. Here are a couple of pics of Iraqi Navy being trained by the USN costal patrol forces.

Stennis Space Center, Miss. (Oct. 23 2006) – An Iraqi Soldier assigned to Iraqi Riverine Police Force fires a M-60 machine gun during special boat maneuvers and weapon handling training at Stennis Space Center. The Iraqi force is currently attending a six-week course at Naval Small Craft Instruction and Technical Training School (NAVSCIATTS).
 

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BLUEJACKET

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And I forgot to mention Navy P-3s doing overland recon!
the P-3 tried out it's radars and night vision gear on dry land and found that they were quite effective. The P-3's got a workout in the Balkans in the late 1990s and proved very valuable in Afghanistan. Ironically, the fact that Afghanistan doesn't have a coast line is what made the P-3 so valuable there. The P-3 can stay in the air for over 12 hours, mainly because it's turbo-prop engines provide the combination of slow speed and high fuel efficiency that marks a superior recon aircraft. By 2001, the P-3s were equipped to provide real time video to commanders as they cruised over Afghanistan. So while the P-3s never saw combat against the Soviet navy, it did play an important role in sinking the Taliban. The U.S. Navy is upgrading the electronics on the P-3 to keep it competitive in the ground reconnaissance game.
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