The War in the Ukraine

Soldier30

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Footage of a Russian Krasnopol-M precision-guided missile striking a Ukrainian army drone control center. The Krasnopol missile was fired from a Russian 2A65 Msta-B 152mm towed howitzer. The video was filmed in the village of Illinovka in Donbas. A group of Ukrainian soldiers revealed their position by appearing too frequently near a house.

 

Soldier30

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Footage of a Russian M-28NM helicopter using an X-39 LMUR guided missile in combat in Ukraine. These missiles are also used by Ka-52 helicopters. The video was filmed in the village of Liman in the Donbas. An X-39 missile struck a Ukrainian command post for FPV drones of the 63rd Separate Mechanized Brigade, located in an abandoned building.

 

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The F-16 pilot highlights the threat posed by Russian fighter-interceptor aircraft such as the
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, the latter being its most advanced in-service combat jet, with a degree of stealth capability.
“They have the ability to be in the combat zone, at high altitudes, waiting for our groups to strike. And unfortunately, we do not have such an opportunity,” he says of the mismatch with the Russian Aerospace Forces.
To counter the threat of enemy missiles, the F-16s are forced to fly lower. “And we also have to use maneuver tactics when enemy aircraft come at us, lock us up, and launch air-to-air missiles at our planes. But regardless of this, with these limited capabilities, we carry out the task. We know that we are taking a risk.”

I thought Russian Jets were junk? Why are the vastly superior F-16 (according to Wanwanese and Chinese libs) unable to challenge them in a fight?
 

siegecrossbow

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Or the "mighty" Mirage-2000s. They hide the uber-duper western superfighters far behind the front lines for fear of embarrassing losses and still send MiG-29s and Su-27s nearer the front line, which keep getting swatted whenever the russians catch them.

I think my favorite disclosure from Ukrainian pilots was that the F-16 provided were so old that they had inferior radar detection range than not just the twist cassegrain relic from Su-27 but also the older less sophisticated relic from baseline MiG-29…
 

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I thought Russian Jets were junk? Why are the vastly superior F-16 (according to Wanwanese and Chinese libs) unable to challenge them in a fight?

"“When our partners see our effectiveness, they understand how we can perform flights with such effectiveness in our challenging conditions. I would even say they are learning from us, adjusting the tactics that they taught us.”"

Poor guy don't understand that that's exactly his purpose, to be guinea pig for western military industry
 

Stealthflanker

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With R-37, R-77-1 and Izd-180, clearly Russians are not bothering to play dogfight. It is for me also showing indirectly that their missile industries are still running fine, All the AAM's i mentioned are Active Radar Homing, which more expensive than something like R-73's. They are throwing those freely from long ranges even when Pk (Probability of Kill) seems miniscule means they have no fear expending those.

On the subject of long range shot tho, the objective is not necessarily a "kill" in shooting down sense but it can also be "Fired for effect" as evading those missile means the strike fighter may have to jettison their load to maneuver, thus "Mission kill" is achieved instead. It will in turn force the enemy to fly at lighter load, the load where they can still launch their weapons yet can still evade attacks. This will reduce the throw weight and in turn the amount of targets the enemy can strike simultaneously in that one sortie.
 

AndrewS

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With R-37, R-77-1 and Izd-180, clearly Russians are not bothering to play dogfight. It is for me also showing indirectly that their missile industries are still running fine, All the AAM's i mentioned are Active Radar Homing, which more expensive than something like R-73's. They are throwing those freely from long ranges even when Pk (Probability of Kill) seems miniscule means they have no fear expending those.

On the subject of long range shot tho, the objective is not necessarily a "kill" in shooting down sense but it can also be "Fired for effect" as evading those missile means the strike fighter may have to jettison their load to maneuver, thus "Mission kill" is achieved instead. It will in turn force the enemy to fly at lighter load, the load where they can still launch their weapons yet can still evade attacks. This will reduce the throw weight and in turn the amount of targets the enemy can strike simultaneously in that one sortie.

Remember that every year, the Russians should have a significant number of AAMs which are approaching the end of their service lives.

And given that Ukraine only has a handful of aircraft, they might as well use them liberally.
 

plawolf

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Taking pot shots at marginal KP is obviously sub-optimal. It would be better to kill a Ukrainian jet even if it means some Russian grunts on the line eats some bombs.

This is basically a consequence of the Russians’ inability to achieve true air superiority owning to insufficient SEAD/DEAD capability. The Russians lost too many jets themselves to Ukrainian bait ops that they are forced to shoot at extreme range to ensure the safety of their own planes and pilots.

What the Russians desperately need is their equivalent to the J16D. Hell, even the EW version of the JH7A will probably be a total game changer for them.

This is an ongoing lesson that you can’t just focus all your resources on tip-of-the-spear assets and neglect the rest. Because if you have a weak spear shaft, your super fancy spear tip is in effect just a really expensive and suboptimal dagger.
 
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