Sixth-generation manned carrier-based combat aircraft

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It might be time to start a thread on future manned carrier combat aircraft that will come after the J-35. As a thread starter, I will share an
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on control laws for precision landing a flying wing aircraft on a carrier. Of course, illustrations of the aircraft in this paper are merely a placeholder and not to be taken literally, and the existence of this paper does not necessarily imply that Chengdu is seriously developing such an aircraft.

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Iron Man

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Tomboy said:
I thought the consensus was that the Shenyang aircraft will be the carrier aircraft? Or will they somehow put the J-36 on a carrier cause having a third 6th gen in testing or development seems rather unrealistic due to cost.
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I believe the "consensus" was reached by merely the presence of two front wheels on the "J-50". OTOH this feature by itself does not guarantee a carrier-based fighter. The J-10 also has two front wheels, for example. If we ever get closeup photos of the J-50 and see creases for folding wings, that would be a far stronger indicator of a carrier-based design IMO. As for the J-36, I think it is way too large to put on a carrier.
 
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As for the J-36, I think it is way too large to put on a carrier.
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If that's the case, then there could potentially be a third aircraft in development?

Anyhow, I came across a rather interesting concept: Stealth penetration bomber on carrier. I was over on secretprojectfourms and found a mention to the ATA program in the 80s

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Since right now the Chinese carrier fleet do not seem to have any deep penetration striker/bombers to provide air support in a densely defended area as J-35s unlike the F-35 do not seem to be designed with strike as a primary mission parameter instead being mostly for air superiority and fleet defense. Perhaps it would be better for them to have a separate aircraft for this purpose like the ATA program, it could take the form of a large drone plausibly a design based on an enlarged navalized CH-7 or a manned aircraft or maybe honestly they could just somehow put the J-36 on the deck of a carrier. Potentially with the 004 rumored to be even larger than the G.R Ford class, fitting a few J-36s on a carrier shouldn't be much of an issue, possibly requiring them to further reinforce the deck to take the force such a large aircraft landing but being fair the US landed a C-130 with an empty weight of 83000 pounds on a carrier once.

Sure, the H-20 could probably perform these strikes if needed but I believe having dedicated VLO strikers or atleast a stealth multirole aircraft that could carry cruise missiles and large guided bombs on carriers will greatly shorten response time especially with China not having airbases around the world. I believe this might be a good way to massively increase PLA's projection of power without relying on third party bases aboard.
 
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Tomboy said:
If that's the case, then there could potentially be a third aircraft in development?

Anyhow, I came across a rather interesting concept: Stealth penetration bomber on carrier. I was over on secretprojectfourms and found a mention to the ATA program in the 80s

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Since right now the Chinese carrier fleet do not seem to have any deep penetration striker/bombers to provide air support in a densely defended area as J-35s unlike the F-35 do not seem to be designed with strike as a primary mission parameter instead being mostly for air superiority and fleet defense. Perhaps it would be better for them to have a separate aircraft for this purpose like the ATA program, it could take the form of a large drone plausibly a design based on an enlarged navalized CH-7 or a manned aircraft or maybe honestly they could just somehow put the J-36 on the deck of a carrier. Potentially with the 004 rumored to be even larger than the G.R Ford class, fitting a few J-36s on a carrier shouldn't be much of an issue, possibly requiring them to further reinforce the deck to take the force such a large aircraft landing but being fair the US landed a C-130 with an empty weight of 83000 pounds on a carrier once.

Sure, the H-20 could probably perform these strikes if needed but I believe having dedicated VLO strikers or atleast a stealth multirole aircraft that could carry cruise missiles and large guided bombs on carriers will greatly shorten response time especially with China not having airbases around the world. I believe this might be a good way to massively increase PLA's projection of power without relying on third party bases aboard.
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The A-12 Avenger. It was supposed to be much smaller and and lighter than a J-36. 17.5tons empty, a fighter like number. I'm not sure why it was cancelled, but it is a very interesting aircraft.

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Iron Man

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Tomboy said:
If that's the case, then there could potentially be a third aircraft in development?

Anyhow, I came across a rather interesting concept: Stealth penetration bomber on carrier. I was over on secretprojectfourms and found a mention to the ATA program in the 80s

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Since right now the Chinese carrier fleet do not seem to have any deep penetration striker/bombers to provide air support in a densely defended area as J-35s unlike the F-35 do not seem to be designed with strike as a primary mission parameter instead being mostly for air superiority and fleet defense. Perhaps it would be better for them to have a separate aircraft for this purpose like the ATA program, it could take the form of a large drone plausibly a design based on an enlarged navalized CH-7 or a manned aircraft or maybe honestly they could just somehow put the J-36 on the deck of a carrier. Potentially with the 004 rumored to be even larger than the G.R Ford class, fitting a few J-36s on a carrier shouldn't be much of an issue, possibly requiring them to further reinforce the deck to take the force such a large aircraft landing but being fair the US landed a C-130 with an empty weight of 83000 pounds on a carrier once.

Sure, the H-20 could probably perform these strikes if needed but I believe having dedicated VLO strikers or atleast a stealth multirole aircraft that could carry cruise missiles and large guided bombs on carriers will greatly shorten response time especially with China not having airbases around the world. I believe this might be a good way to massively increase PLA's projection of power without relying on third party bases aboard.
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Given the sizes involved I think it is much more likely that the J-50 is carrier-based than the J-36. I'm just saying that the J-50's two front wheels do not guarantee it is a carrier fighter, whereas evidence of folding wings would virtually guarantee it.
 
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The A-12 Avenger. It was supposed to be much smaller and and lighter than a J-36. 17.5tons empty, a fighter like number. I'm not sure it was cancelled, but it is a very interesting aircraft.
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Perhaps ATA project was a bad example, but I was suggesting something like a large(for carrier) strike fighter/bomber for deep penetration strikes deep into enemy territory which current China lacks the ability to do so with enemies that are across the ocean with lack of oversea airbases and no long-range strategic bomber, even with long-range strategic bombers hitting targets for example in CONUS would still be difficult due to increased chances of detection since you'd most likely have to overfly some heavily monitored airspaces and have a hit on sortie rates just due to how far it is and limited number of H-20s. But if they had a carrier based bomber or strike fighter that could carry out those tasks, it makes them a lot more versatile and increase power projection without any extra infrastructure that relies on third party countries which would ultimately prove unreliable in a conflict.
 
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