Singapore to suspend flight of her Apache and Sikorsky helcopter

rhino123

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Just read a newspaper article here and found this news,

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It seemed that one of Singapore's Apache had made an emergency landing and broke off its tail. The emergency landing occured due to engine failure... and this had prompt the entire fleet of Apache and Sikorsky S-70B helicopter's training and flight to be temporary suspended (bcos the two helicopters shared the same engine).

I was wondering, did the US fleet actually met with similar problems too? Or was the engine used actually the same?
 

bd popeye

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I'm sure it is the same engine. The Apache has had a multitude of problem in it's earlier history.

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In November 2000 the Department of the Army announced the decision to base AH-64D Apache Helicopters belonging to the Government of Singapore at Silverbell Army Heliport, Marana, Arizona. The Government of Singapore had purchased eight of the Apache Longbow helicopters. As part of the sale, the helicopters had to remain in the continental United States until 2008. All Army organizations having or scheduled to receive the Apache Longbow helicopters were considered as potential training hosts with Singapore's Peace Vanguard Detachment. However, based upon air space concerns, the competition for training ranges and the high Operations Tempo (OPTEMPO) of Army Divisions, the selection of Silverbell and the training affiliation with the Army National Guard's 1st Battalion, 285th Attack Helicopter Battalion was deemed the most efficient and desirable.

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The Army announced 5 November 1999 that all its 660 AH-64A and 83 AH-64D models must be inspected before their next flight. The hanger bearing assemblies fore and aft house the drive train, which passes turbine engine power to the tail rotor. A failure in the flange area will result in loss of tail rotor thrust and such a failure could be catastrophic. Army investigators had identified the bearing assembly problem while looking into a January 1999 accident at Fort Rucker, Alabama, that destroyed an Apache and injured the 2-man crew. Army officials said stress corrosion fractures resulting from a hardness heat-treat process used during manufacture may cause the bearing assemblies to fail. Hanger bearing assemblies produced after the Army changed the manufacturing process in 1993 do not have the potential for such fractures. Army officials determined that at least 400 of 743 AH-64 Apache attack helicopters needed the new parts.In December 2000 the US Army grounded its entire AH-64 Apache helicopter fleet as a precautionary measure, following the discovery of a faulty tail rotor swashplate assembly. Failure of a tailrotor swashplate assembly, which produces yaw control, could result in the loss of an aircraft and crew injuries. The Army ordered an inspection of all 742 AH-64A and D aircraft to locate specific swashplate assemblies identified as being potentially faulty, which would be replaced.

In early 2001, the Apache community was operating under a shortage of M299 launchers and a HELLFIRE missile restriction. The M299 launchers, under contract to Boeing St. Charles, suffered a failure in testing and had been deemed unsafe. The power supply card had to be redesigned, which was estimated to take 7-8 months to complete and qualify. Reverting to the old design was not an option. Required components were no longer in production. DCSOPS had published a distribution plan. The PM-ARM was responsible for the development and fielding of the launchers and is working to correct the problems. The HELLFIRE restriction was driven by the new spacer in the motor impacting and damaging the stabilator and potentially the tail rotor.

Damage to 19 of 43 Apache Helicopters was detected following HELLFIRE missile firing during the USAREUR training exercise Victory Strike in Poland between 6 and 18 October 2000. Damage to AH-64A Helicopter horizontal stabilators was initially attributed to ground debris then later to the HELLFIRE missile. Two Apache units fired 385 AGM-114C model missiles and numerous 2.75 inch rockets and 30mm rounds without incident. PEO Aviation System Safety Risk Assessment (SSRA) assigned a Category I-A risk (Catastrophic Probable) if missiles were fired from any position other than position number 4 on right outboard pylon. The SSRA applied only to the AH-64D Helicopter. SSRA for other helicopters was a "due-out" from PEO Aviation. AMCOM IMMC worldwide suspension of HELLFIRE missiles with the deficient Alliant/Hercules motors remained in place as of mid-2001. All HELLFIRE missiles with this motor were in CC-N, emergency combat use only. This included the entire inventory of the Longbow HELLFIRE Millimeter Wave (AGM-114L) missile, and nearly 90% of the latest Laser production assets (AGM-144K & K-2).
 

rhino123

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I'm sure it is the same engine. The Apache has had a multitude of problem in it's earlier history.

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Thanks popeye for the great read and history information.

I am under the impression that the problem occured in the early stage of developement and deployment of the Apache helicopters and by now, those problems should already been addressed.

I am wondering if there would be any design modification to the engine and the helicopters in future.
 

Pointblank

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Thanks popeye for the great read and history information.

I am under the impression that the problem occured in the early stage of developement and deployment of the Apache helicopters and by now, those problems should already been addressed.

I am wondering if there would be any design modification to the engine and the helicopters in future.

Or it could be a bad batch of engines... and those things can happen, unfortunately.
 

bd popeye

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Here's some photos of the wrecked helo. Clearly there was some sort of catastrophic mechanical failure. The tail rotor fell off..jeez.

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Military personnel inspect a Republic of
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Air Force (RSAF) AH-64 Apache helicopter which made an emergency landing where its tail broke off completely, in an open field at a housing estate north of Singapore on Thursday, Sept. 30, 2010. No one was injured.
 

Finn McCool

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Amazing skill or luck (probably both) on the part of the pilot to land the helo in such intact condition after such a catastrophic failure. The front half doesn't look too badly damaged. Still, it probably won't fly again.
 

Spartan95

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News update on this incident:

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Thorough probe will be done on root cause of Apache incident
Posted: 01 October 2010 1624 hrs

SINGAPORE: Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister Teo Chee Hean has said a thorough investigation will be conducted to find out the root cause of Thursday's incident involving a Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) Apache helicopter.

Investigations are being carried out together with Boeing, the manufacturer of the aircraft.

The Apache helicopter was on a routine maintenance flight when it encountered engine problems. As an emergency drill, the pilots chose an to land in an open field in Woodlands away from buildings and populated areas.

The tail section of the helicopter was damaged during the landing.

Mr Teo, who has been receiving regular updates, said preliminary findings pointed to a mechanical problem.

He said the preliminary findings also showed that designated flight routes and emergency procedures were followed.

These allowed the pilots to land the aircraft in an open field.

Following the incident, the RSAF temporarily suspended all training for its fleet of Apache and Seahawk helicopters as a precautionary measure pending the outcome of the investigation.

Mr Teo, who is on an official visit to India, said all RSAF Apache and Seahawk helicopters will be thoroughly inspected before any decision is made to resume flying of these aircraft.


- CNA/ir

There is quite a bit of public interest in this incident as the Apache landed near a school. Will probably see more updates in the coming days.
 

Scratch

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Well, just to be sure here. As I understand the reports the tail of that helo did not come off in flight. The Helo lost an engine forcing an emergency landing. The pilot probably autogyroed the helo to the ground, or maybe couldn't really do so because of a seized engine or axle drive. Only on impact with the ground did the tail section actually sepertate from the aircraft.
 

SteelBird

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Amazing skill or luck (probably both) on the part of the pilot to land the helo in such intact condition after such a catastrophic failure. The front half doesn't look too badly damaged. Still, it probably won't fly again.

An interesting question: Are military equipment sold with guarantee? If an equipment fails within guarantee period, does the vendor pay or compensate something?
 

bd popeye

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An interesting question: Are military equipment sold with guarantee? If an equipment fails within guarantee period, does the vendor pay or compensate something?

Yes.. BUT >> I don't know about those Apache's. They have quite a few flight hours on them.

In November 2000 the Department of the Army announced the decision to base AH-64D Apache Helicopters belonging to the Government of Singapore at Silverbell Army Heliport, Marana, Arizona. The Government of Singapore had purchased eight of the Apache Longbow helicopters. As part of the sale, the helicopters had to remain in the continental United States until 2008

That's eight years.
 
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