Shenyang next gen combat aircraft thread

[LuzinskiJ]

airborne Kung Fu master in WVR combat

J-Jet-Li

 

[sutton999]

What if this thing has no regular IWB?

 

[SinoAmericanCW]

What if this thing has no regular IWB?

That's most unlikely. Carrying its ammunition externally would compromise its stealth, and having it carried offboard by CCAs would make its great kinematics redundant.

 

[pkj]

This aircraft looks just like the fictional YR-99 Forneus from ACE Combat.
As a huge fan of ACE Combat, the first thing that came to mind when I saw SAC's Fighter was the YR-99.
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Breaking News.....China stoled its next gen fighter design from Ace Combat.

 

[Blitzo]

If that's anywhere near reality, there is no more dogfighting cope. The adaptive rear stabilizers + full control surface wing trailing edge would mean that this thing is like an airborne Kung Fu master in WVR combat while VLO + supersonic characteristics would make it as slippery as a ninja.

That depends on whether the rear stabilisers are designed to be mobile when in the folded/down position.

It may well be that they are only mobile while in the up/less stealthy position, for certain parts of flight such as takeoff and landing.


Or course even with that, this aircraft is likely to be somewhat more maneuverable than J-36 partly because of just being a smaller aircraft.

 

[siegecrossbow]

That depends on whether the rear stabilisers are designed to be mobile when in the folded/down position.

It may well be that they are only mobile while in the up/less stealthy position, for certain parts of flight such as takeoff and landing.


Or course even with that, this aircraft is likely to be somewhat more maneuverable than J-36 partly because of just being a smaller aircraft.

I wonder if there is a compromise — the slab itself is not all moving but contains control surface on the trailing edge. When the slab is in horizontal position, the control surface serves as a flap. When raised to vertical position, it serves as rudder.

 

[donnnage99]

If that's anywhere near reality, there is no more dogfighting cope.

What dogfighting cope? You seen couple of old heads that retired before they get to hop into any 5th gen fighter and you think this is reflective of the current pilot culture in US? The US air doctrine literally threw all its eggs in the de-emphasis on dogfight agility doctrine with the f-35's DAS system. More and more pilots are being trained or retrained to fly f-35. A whole generation after these 2 old retirees think of combat doctrine entirely differently and more relevant with modern time.

 

[Blitzo]

If that's anywhere near reality, there is no more dogfighting cope. The adaptive rear stabilizers + full control surface wing trailing edge would mean that this thing is like an airborne Kung Fu master in WVR combat while VLO + supersonic characteristics would make it as slippery as a ninja.

What dogfighting cope? You seen couple of old heads that retired before they get to hop into any 5th gen fighter and you think this is reflective of the current pilot culture in US? The US air doctrine literally threw all its eggs in the de-emphasis on dogfight agility doctrine with the f-35's DAS system. More and more pilots are being trained or retrained to fly f-35. A whole generation after these 2 old retirees think of combat doctrine entirely differently and more relevant with modern time.

I agree with donnnage99 here -- dogfighting is the cope.

Let's not bring up that PLAAF slide about dogfighting again ("don't make me tap the sign!").


Of course, having greater maneuverability is not a bad thing, but instead of crowing about it, treating it as a "nice to have" is probably more salient.
I also expect that the primary/preferred configuration for this aircraft to operate during sorties would be with the tails down in a more low observable manner. If it was forced to raise the tails during a sortie, then chances are something has gone wrong.

 

[zlixOS]

I agree with donnnage99 here -- dogfighting is the cope.

Let's not bring up that PLAAF slide about dogfighting again ("don't make me tap the sign!").


Of course, having greater maneuverability is not a bad thing, but instead of crowing about it, treating it as a "nice to have" is probably more salient.
I also expect that the primary/preferred configuration for this aircraft to operate during sorties would be with the tails down in a more low observable manner. If it was forced to raise the tails during a sortie, then chances are something has gone wrong.

Can you bring up that slide? I'm new here.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Can you bring up that slide? I'm new here.