Saudi Arabia goes on MASSIVE shopping spree!

crazyinsane105

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Saudi Arabia Launches Huge Arms Buying Spree; France to Net Most Orders

Saudi Arabia will buy 142 helicopters from France, including 64 NH-90 helicopters such as the one shown here, as well as tanker aircraft and other weapons in the largest arms export deal ever signed by France.
Photo © EurocopterPARIS --- The Saudi government last week agreed to purchase a total of 142 helicopters from France, in a deal that will modernize its military helicopter fleet at a single stroke and that, together with additional contracts to follow, firmly establishes France as the kingdom’s main weapons supplier.

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The helicopter contract, due to be signed with France’s Sofresa arms export agency, will cover 64 NH-90 battlefield helicopters; 20 Eurocopter Cougar utility helicopters in Combat Search and Rescue version; 42 Eurocopter Fennec light helicopters; four Panther naval Search and Rescue helicopters; and an initial batch of 12 Tiger attack helicopters.

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The NH-90s are made by NH Industries, a joint company in which France’s Eurocopter has a 62.5% share, while all other types are produced by Eurocopter.

The contract also includes the provision of weapons, spare parts, training services and support equipment, as well as the construction of several helicopter bases, boosting its total value to well over 7 billion euros, sources say. It is the largest single arms export deal ever signed by France.

The NH-90 order includes 10 naval NFH-90s for the Saudi navy; 42 TTH-90 battlefield helicopters for the Saudi Army and 12 more for the Saudi Arabian National Guard, while the Fennec order comprises 30 helicopters for the Saudi air force and 12 for the national guard.

A separate contract will cover an unspecified number of Airbus A330 aerial tankers, similar to the KC-30 that EADS, the corporate parent of both Airbus and Eurocopter, has offered to the US Air Force.

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The new Saudi arms purchases from France are the result of an expanded defense alliance set out in two political framework agreements signed here late on July 21 by the Saudi Crown Prince and Defense Minister, Sultan Ben Abdelaziz Al Saoud. The agreements cover closer defense cooperation between the two countries as well as the supply of a wide range of military hardware. “These agreements, signed at the highest level of the two states, define the scope of our cooperation in the field of military equipment,” French presidential spokesman Jérôme Bonnafont told reporters July 21 adding that “new cooperation projects for military equipment will be implemented.”

In addition to the helicopters and tankers, contracts for which should be signed in the coming weeks, Saudi Arabia also plans to purchase Leclerc main battle tanks, French-Italian FREMM frigates and submarines in 2007 and 2008, while the possible purchase of Dassault Aviation Rafale combat aircraft is still being discussed.
The French orders come as Saudi Arabia last week unexpectedly embarked on a huge weapon buying spree to substantially upgrade its armed forces.

The first contract, announced July 21, covers the supply of 76 Caesar truck-mounted 155mm artillery pieces manufactured by France’s state-owned GIAT Industries, for a value estimated at several hundred million euros. The manufacturer, for whom this is both the largest Caesar contract to date and the largest export contract of the past decade, will confirm neither the customer nor the value.

The previous day, the Pentagon formally notified Congress of its intention to sell 724 Light Armored Vehicles made by General Dynamics Land Systems, London, Ontario and related equipment (worth $5.8 billion) for the Saudi Arabian National Guard. A separate contract was also notified covering the sale of 24 Sikorsky UH-60L Black Hawk armed utility helicopters, worth $350 million, to the Royal Saudi Land Forces. These two contracts will be automatically approved unless Congress opposes them within 30 days.

According to French spokesman Bonnafont, the additional contracts “will be finalized later, depending on the progress of bilateral discussions.” He confirmed that these talks will center on the acquisition by Saudi Arabia of Dassault Aviation Rafale combat aircraft and of Leclerc main battle tanks, made by GIAT Industries. The latter are intended to replace the obsolete AMX-30 tanks operated by the Saudi army’s so-called “French brigade,” and which were originally procured in the 1970s.

A possible Rafale sale to Saudi Arabia has been the subject of much speculation in recent years, but had appeared to fade after Saudi Arabia on December 21, 2005 signed a Memorandum of Understanding with the British government which called for “Typhoon aircraft [to] replace Tornado Air Defence Variant aircraft and others currently in service with the Royal Saudi Air Force.”

At the time, British media reported that the related contract, initially covering 24 Typhoons with at least 48 more to follow, would be signed by June, but none has so far been announced.

The French spokesman’s confirmation that a Rafale sale is being negotiated is a major advance for the French fighter, which formally entered French air force service in late June but which is still looking for its first export customer. It is not clear, however, whether Rafale would be procured instead of, or in addition to, the Typhoon.

No indication has been given of the number of Rafales that Saudi Arabia would buy, but sources say an initial purchase would likely cover 48 aircraft. If confirmed, this would set the deal’s value at around 6 billion euros, including weapons, spares and support equipment.

Saudi Arabia also has a relatively urgent requirement to replace her older coastal defense vessels (four Badr-class corvettes and nine Al Siddiq-class patrol boats) with much larger missile corvettes displacing around 2,000 tonnes. France’s DCN has offered its Gowind design for this requirement.
A second naval requirement is for four to six French-Italian FREMM new-generation multi-purpose frigates to replace the older French-supplied Medina-class (Sawari I project) frigates. These frigates alone are valued at 3 billion euros. In the longer term, the Royal Saudi Navy would like to introduce a submarine flotilla comprising about six conventionally-powered attack submarines, for which DCN is offering its Marlin design, derived from the Scorpene submarine it developed jointly with Spain’s Navantia shipyards group. No value has been quoted for this project.

French companies, along with contractors from China, Russia, the UK and the US, will compete for Saudi Arabia’s Miksa program, an ambitious border control network comprising up to 225 radar stations to monitor the kingdom’s ground borders, coasts and airspace. While this was negotiated directly with France’s Thales Group for several years, Saudi Arabia earlier this year decided to launch a competition; responses to its Request for Information are due in late August, to be followed by a Request for Proposals with a deadline of late December. The project’s value is estimated at 7 billion euros.

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Totoro

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Damn, that's one crazy insane bunch of orders! :D How much does it add up in the end, a bazillion dollars? Those Saudies sure don't seem to know what to do with their money. Kinda silly, really. They could invest those tens of billions into something that's gonna keep returning money once the oil dries up. They don't seem to grasp the concept of long term investment for the betterment of the nation.
 

crazyinsane105

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Totoro said:
Damn, that's one crazy insane bunch of orders! :D How much does it add up in the end, a bazillion dollars? Those Saudies sure don't seem to know what to do with their money. Kinda silly, really. They could invest those tens of billions into something that's gonna keep returning money once the oil dries up. They don't seem to grasp the concept of long term investment for the betterment of the nation.

Actually, the oil is gonna last Saudi Arabia for nearly 80 years. I saw it on an ABC special about Saudi Arabia. But yeah, the Saudis should invest more money in their own infranstructure.

Also seems like they are going to buy submarines. Maybe the new Marlin class?
 

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Totoro said:
Damn, that's one crazy insane bunch of orders! :D How much does it add up in the end, a bazillion dollars? Those Saudies sure don't seem to know what to do with their money. Kinda silly, really. They could invest those tens of billions into something that's gonna keep returning money once the oil dries up. They don't seem to grasp the concept of long term investment for the betterment of the nation.
still not as crazy as the typhoon deal where the aircrafts themselves were speculated to be 10 billion US for 72 and then the infrastructure, training and 25 years of servicing added another incredible 48 billion US!
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China supposedly signed a MoU with Saudi Arabia a while back when Hu visited there, I wonder what it managed to sell.
 
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I can't wait until the Saudis have signed on the dotted line. Then perhaps we can start to think about getting CVF orders started, etc.
 

ger_mark

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The French are such Showmen

- They are not into A310 MRTT project
- They only get some NFH NH90, they dont get any TTH
- Eurocopter is NOT French
 

FreeAsia2000

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crazyinsane105 said:
Actually, the oil is gonna last Saudi Arabia for nearly 80 years. I saw it on an ABC special about Saudi Arabia. But yeah, the Saudis should invest more money in their own infranstructure.

Also seems like they are going to buy submarines. Maybe the new Marlin class?

looks like it

A second naval requirement is for four to six French-Italian FREMM new-generation multi-purpose frigates to replace the older French-supplied Medina-class (Sawari I project) frigates. These frigates alone are valued at 3 billion euros. In the longer term, the Royal Saudi Navy would like to introduce a submarine flotilla comprising about six conventionally-powered attack submarines, for which DCN is offering its Marlin design, derived from the Scorpene submarine it developed jointly with Spain’s Navantia shipyards group. No value has been quoted for this project.

Definitely interesting that both Saudi and Pakistan appear to be interested in purchasing large quantities of helicopters and the same type of submarine.

I suppose it may have to do with the training and defense agreements between the two countries ? It should also lower the cost of the submarine.
 

DPRKUnderground

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Jeez, suddenly they build up their Navy. I'm guessing it's to counter the Iranian threat. They don't want them destroying their oil fields and screw up the shipping in the gulf.
 

Twix101

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ger_mark said:
The French are such Showmen

- They are not into A310 MRTT project
- They only get some NFH NH90, they dont get any TTH
- Eurocopter is NOT French


Let me correct you, the French government plan to buy A-330 MRTT to replace the DC-8, and they already bought A-340...
 
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