New (not totally) sailless SSN (09X?) thread

Tomboy

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previous ou link to what you mean about the supposed Huludao submarine turning out to not be a submarine? I can't find it in earlier comments here or elsewhere and am really curious.
它只是一艘宽26米、长130米的驳船。
Actually I'm not actually too sure if it's refering to the new sub or old one because there has been quite a few launches at Huludao recently. So the new submarine might still possibly be a submarine, take my previous statement with a spoon of salt.
 

elevator

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Jonathan Czin, former Director for China at the U.S. National Security Council (2021–2023), former member of the CIA's Senior Analytic Service, and a former CIA intelligence briefer to the President of the United States, recently wrote in Foreign Affairs that

"the only domain in which the U.S. military retains an advantage over China's is undersea."

Given Czin's experience analyzing China at the highest levels of the U.S. intelligence community and directly briefing the President on national security matters, his assessment merits serious consideration.
 

para80

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Actually I'm not actually too sure if it's refering to the new sub or old one because there has been quite a few launches at Huludao recently. So the new submarine might still possibly be a submarine, take my previous statement with a spoon of salt.
That referred to the unidentified vessel seen in the drydock throughout April.

The new submarine at Bohai definitely appears beginning of June, and the 09V was launched in February.
 

montyp165

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Jonathan Czin, former Director for China at the U.S. National Security Council (2021–2023), former member of the CIA's Senior Analytic Service, and a former CIA intelligence briefer to the President of the United States, recently wrote in Foreign Affairs that

"the only domain in which the U.S. military retains an advantage over China's is undersea."

Given Czin's experience analyzing China at the highest levels of the U.S. intelligence community and directly briefing the President on national security matters, his assessment merits serious consideration.
I'd say at this point that China's closer to achieving the types of underwater capabilities seen in sci-fi such as SeaQuest or X-Com than anything the US is capable of fielding, especially if the direction of technical developmental advances in the next 5 years goes the way I'm seeing.
 

Wrought

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Jonathan Czin, former Director for China at the U.S. National Security Council (2021–2023), former member of the CIA's Senior Analytic Service, and a former CIA intelligence briefer to the President of the United States, recently wrote in Foreign Affairs that

"the only domain in which the U.S. military retains an advantage over China's is undersea."

Given Czin's experience analyzing China at the highest levels of the U.S. intelligence community and directly briefing the President on national security matters, his assessment merits serious consideration.

Jon Czin is a solid source, but he's not a military or technical expert. He's much more of a political guy. That is to say, what he says about the Politburo carries a lot more weight than what he says about submarines. When it comes to military stuff, he is likely just passing along what he heard from other experts.
 
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