Myanmar/Burma civil conflict

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I find the civil war in Myanmar—or Burma, or whatever you want to call it—really interesting because of how it’s unfolding: guerrilla warfare, like in Vietnam, on multiple fronts against the PDF, the Kachin Independence Army, or the Karen National Liberation Army. The fighting has even taken place in Buddhist temples, and some monks have participated—it’s all fascinating, given the quantity and variety of weapons used by each side and how a guerrilla force is standing up to an army that’s increasingly on the ropes because there are so many open fronts. I would be especially excited to meet a Burmese person who has participated or is currently participating and to learn more about this 21st-century Vietnam.
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Reaper_Lord said:
I find the civil war in Myanmar—or Burma, or whatever you want to call it—really interesting because of how it’s unfolding: guerrilla warfare, like in Vietnam, on multiple fronts against the PDF, the Kachin Independence Army, or the Karen National Liberation Army. The fighting has even taken place in Buddhist temples, and some monks have participated—it’s all fascinating, given the quantity and variety of weapons used by each side and how a guerrilla force is standing up to an army that’s increasingly on the ropes because there are so many open fronts. I would be especially excited to meet a Burmese person who has participated or is currently participating and to learn more about this 21st-century Vietnam.
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The difference is the Burma was doomed to be a failed state because this has been going since Myanmar became independence since 1948 when the Kayins began fighting Bamars and then one by one Myanmar descended into South East Asian Yugoslavia with the exception that it isn't fracturing because the Tatmadaw is one of the few armies that knows how to fight a COIN war despite western media saying they're losing the war (They aren't because it's a stalemate that changes nothing and the fact that PDF failed to capture any territory from Tatmadaw and had to rely on more armed groups like MNDAA says alot).

To me it's ironic because while Lisus, Jingpo (aka the main Kachin group), Shans, bamars and even Hans are killing each other in Myanmar. Across the border in Yunnan they live side by side peacefully.
 
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The difference is the Burma was doomed to be a failed state because this has been going since Myanmar became independence since 1948 when the Kayins began fighting Bamars and then one by one Myanmar descended into South East Asian Yugoslavia with the exception that it isn't fracturing because the Tatmadaw is one of the few armies that knows how to fight a COIN war despite western media saying they're losing the war (They aren't because it's a stalemate that changes nothing and the fact that PDF failed to capture any territory from Tatmadaw and had to rely on more armed groups like MNDAA says alot).

To me it's ironic because while Lisus, Jingpo (aka the main Kachin group), Shans, bamars and even Hans are killing each other in Myanmar. Across the border in Yunnan they live side by side peacefully.
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Myanmar has it all: chaotic conflict zones, narco-states, and peaceful places
 
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Reaper_Lord said:
I find the civil war in Myanmar—or Burma, or whatever you want to call it—really interesting because of how it’s unfolding: guerrilla warfare, like in Vietnam, on multiple fronts against the PDF, the Kachin Independence Army, or the Karen National Liberation Army. The fighting has even taken place in Buddhist temples, and some monks have participated—it’s all fascinating, given the quantity and variety of weapons used by each side and how a guerrilla force is standing up to an army that’s increasingly on the ropes because there are so many open fronts. I would be especially excited to meet a Burmese person who has participated or is currently participating and to learn more about this 21st-century Vietnam.
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The thing is Myanmar never really moved on from its past. They are basically stuck in the 20th century . It’s unfortunate that their history also has a lot to do with the current ethnic conflict
 
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The thing is Myanmar never really moved on from its past. They are basically stuck in the 20th century . It’s unfortunate that their history also has a lot to do with the current ethnic conflict
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Myanmar is not a real nation, much the same way Afghanistan is not a real nation. By which I mean it doesn't really have a broadly accepted concept of nationalism, hence why you get all the ethnic and/or religious conflict.

The (Bamar) military launching a coup against the (Bamar) government though, that's more of a proper civil war.
 
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Myanmar is not a real nation, much the same way Afghanistan is not a real nation. By which I mean it doesn't really have a broadly accepted concept of nationalism, hence why you get all the ethnic and/or religious conflict.

The (Bamar) military launching a coup against the (Bamar) government though, that's more of a proper civil war.
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The difference is that Myanmar pre colonisation did control modern day Myanmar plus North East india but it got ripped away and Myanmar never a had total presence in those frontier states since it was run decentrilized. British Colonization converted them into evangilical christians which made them very militant then before.
 
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Apparently the Myitsone dam is back on.

July 1 (Reuters) - Myanmar's new government aims to complete within roughly eight years a contentious $3.6 billion
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at Myitsone in northern Kachin state, said two sources with knowledge of comments by Khet Htein Nan, who leads the state administration.

"It will begin shortly," Htet Paing Htoo, a member of the Kachin State parliament, told Reuters regarding construction work
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in 2011 after rare public outrage over a hydropower project that would have been Myanmar's largest. "An official announcement will be released. The president himself has already stated that it will be restarted."
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