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AssassinsMace

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Some people dont share your negative view... but maybe CN will address that in next 5 years..
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Just look at Pete Zeihan. The guy is on the map it seems just for "confirming" to people what they want to believe. The Republicans love his crap because he tells them what they want to hear. And where does his data come from? I tried to do a search to see if Peter Zeihan was ever in China. I could not find any results. So his information comes from what others have written. And Republicans always demand personal experience to have any credibility on being an expert when you say something they don't like. And Peter Zeihan has none when it comes to China. And let's not be fooled that demographics is also a message on virility. And lets also not forget the US is suffering from a demographic problem and the only reason why the US is seeing growth is because of non-white immigration to which is why it's a top issue with Republicans to fight against.

Why do Westerners care about the demographic problems in China? It has not a threat to them. Besides it fulfils their dream of the elimination of Chinese people existing. It's one of things where the West always acts like they know the solution and guess what? You have to do what they say to get it. It's like the West has the answer on how China can become an innovative country. The West doesn't want China to be an innovative country. Just look at everything they're complaining about China and trade. They are not looking to make China even more of a juggernaut of innovation they can't compete with than it is now. First they establish how important it is like soft power and then you start begging to them on how to get it?
 

pokepara

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Maybe don't post easily falsifiable BS?

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The source was a 2018 paper:
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It seems that was the year that China and Japan re-established the currency swap deal. Calling it "easily falsifiable BS" is not a charitable characterisation as the thrust of my post is still correct. There was a rapprochement between China/Japan and mysterious deaths led to its expiry in 2013.

My statements about Australia also hold.

Every time a country begins to have an independent foreign policy, the US intervenes, whether through official means or clandestine.
 
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tamsen_ikard

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Australia's most independent leader, Gough Whitlam, was definitely soft-couped by CIA when he wanted to close down the biggest US base in the southern hemisphere:
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Australia's most recent attempt to have an independent leader, Kevin Rudd, was also most likely soft-couped for wanting closer ties with China and Asia:
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Any leader of any US "ally" that shows a modicum of independence, let alone expelling troops, will get pressured, sanctioned, blockaded couped, assassinated and/or invaded.

In 2012, Japan and China began to do direct currency trading, bypassing the US dollar during one the tiny periods of time the US-puppets of the LDP weren't in power. A few months later, Japan's Finance Minister commits suicide (on Suicide Prevention Day, no less) and a day later, Japan's new ambassador to China suddenly dies right before taking his post in Beijing. Then the Japanese government makes moves on Senkaku/Daioyu, spurring Hong Kong/Taiwan "activist protestors" and the LDP come back into power.

Since then China and Japan have had no bilateral currency swap agreement.

If you can't see US influence in every "ally," then I question the depth of your analysis.
There is no doubt a lot of US influence in these allied countries. But that is true about US as well, where there is a lot of influence via lobbyists, businesses and think tankers getting funds and influence from places like Japan, Taiwan or Europe. And every time US wants to make a policy that goes against the current Western empire paradigm, such as going soft on Taiwan for example or Ukraine, these influences start steer US policy back to what it was before.

But in both US and in allied countries if there is a fundamental shift in public thinking due to national interest, then these soft influences are not going to be able to stop change. They can push and pull in certain directions, but national political will can trump these influence ops.

Japan has more anti-China national thinking than US does and no amount of CIA op will be able to change that. If US becomes a Chinese friend for example, then Japan will likely take out US forces right away and become a north korea like pariah country rather bow to China. This is the fundamental national will of Japan.

Same thing about the baltics, they would rather become America's enemy than bow to Russia.

Taiwan and DPP has been hugely influential in fomenting anti-China hawkishness and funding hawkish lawmakers and think tankers in US. Without DPP and Taiwan US would be far less hostile to China.

So, again, its not true that US is the master of these countries. In many cases, they are even hawkish than US and influences US to be more hawkish than it wants to be. In a way, they are bigger worshipper of Western empire than US itself.
 

pokepara

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Your statements are vague and not convincing. What are the quantitative levels of funding? How do they compare to Lockheed Martin or Blackrock or Alphabet? I'm talking about assassinations and leaks in diplomatic cables here.

Why is Japan's anti-China stance taken as a natural state?

How is AUKUS anything but clearly against Australia's own national interests? I know they're stupid here, but not that stupid.

Here's another solid example about US interference in China/India:
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A new study published in a leading United States academic journal argues that the 1962 India-China war was driven not primarily by border disagreements or diplomatic failures, as long accepted in mainstream historical accounts, but by a deliberate American strategy pursued through the 1950s and early 1960s.

Drawing on declassified CIA records, diplomatic archives at the Prime Minister’s Museum & Library (PMML), the Foreign Relations of the United States (FRUS), and documents from the Cold War International History Project, the seminal research challenges long-held narratives about the conflict. The findings -- “Unravelling the Geopolitical Dimensions of the 1962 Sino–Indian Conflict: How the US Shaped the Sino–India Split” -- appeared in the April edition of the Journal of Public Affairs (Wiley).
 
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