Joint Strike Fighter and US force structure

Andrew

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Here's an article critically discussing the value of the Joint Strike Fighter to the future American forces. Maybe it is of interest here, as for me I like the author's systematic approach, starting with the overall geopolitical situation and then moving on to discussing the capabilities of the JSF. I have attempted to extract the most important points.

Air Power Australia Analysis 2005-04
7th August 2005

by Dr Carlo Kopp and Peter Goon

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Can Joint Strike Fighter Survive the Quadrennial Defense Review?

"The United States is now grappling with the realities of the twenty first century, a world which has split along the divide of the wealthy and developed, and the poor and the undeveloped. The smooth continuum of wealth and national development which charactertised the world of two decades ago has vanished, as the collapse of the Soviet Empire and economic globalisation have created two distinct strata of nations."

The Dichotomy in Force Structure Needs

The Americans now confront a world in which there are two distinct categories of potential and actual opponent. The first are developed or developing nation states with agendas including Iran, the DPRK and, importantly, the PRC. The second are failed states, failing states, underdeveloped nation states, and associated non-state entities with military or paramilitary agendas. (...)

In practical terms this amounts to a need for a two tier force structure, in which an 'upper tier' exists to deter or defeat nation state threats, and in which a 'lower tier' exists to defeat non-state actors and other 'irregular' threats. In a sense this reflects the Tofflerian paradigm of information age societies confronting industrial age and agrarian age opponents. Two categories of opponent each requiring unique capabilities to defeat inevitably results in a two tier force structure model. (...)

Post 1991 Russia has progressively abandoned all earlier constraints on the export of high technology weapons. As a result we see late Soviet era analogues of equivalent US systems proliferating widely, and in the instance of China, being absorbed by the domestic technology base and locally manufactured...To remain competitive in nation state conflicts the US must have a decisive advantage in upper tier assets, especially air power. If the US attempts to achieve this advantage by using legacy Cold War technologies, it becomes a game of fielding numbers much superior to potential opponents. In the instance of China, this is unachievable given current PLA plans to field a force comparable in numbers of Sukhoi/J-11 and Chengu J-10 numbers to the current US inventory of F-15s and F-16s. As a result the US must match China's numbers but using assets a generation ahead technologically - such as the F/A-22A and MC-2A.

These 'sharp end' pressures are significant, and contrast enormously with the 'lower tier' demands of conflict in the domain of failed states and non state actors. Counter-insurgency and counter-terrorist operations, peace enforcement and peace-keeping are most intensive in several areas - rapidly deployable, highly mobile and sustainable ground forces, and supporting, airlift, ISR and networking capabilities. In these conflicts the only threat to air power are small arms, RPGs and MANPADS - air space is effectively uncontested. (...)

The inevitable result of these pressures will be selective culling of capabilities which fall into the gap between the two styles of conflict. This is why the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) is highly exposed in the currently developing strategic environment.

Many key design features and capabilities of the JSF reflect late 1980s US Air Force research in enhancing battlefield interdiction and strike aircraft capabilities against Warpac forces, and the now unique experience of Desert Storm, where Saddam opted to pit Warpac style ground forces against US led air power.

In dealing with 'lower tier' conflicts such as failed states, militias, terrorist movements, and insurgents, the costly and unique survivability features of the JSF, such as the spherical coverage DAS (Distributed Aperture [InfraRed] System) and radar stealth are of no value at all. In such environments the existing F-16E/F and F/A-18E/F are more than adequate... At the other end of the spectrum the JSF is also in difficulty. The benchmark 'nation state conflict scenario' for the US will be some form of conflict with China, probably over Taiwan. Given the size of China's air force, and an environment where attacks on the mainland could result in escalation to a nuclear exchange, the US will have to fight a constrained air war aimed at defeating the PLA-AF in the air, and destroying PLA-N surface assets invading Taiwan. (...)

If we test the JSF design unrefuelled combat radius against this environment it becomes evident very quickly that the aircraft's sizing is not well adapted to the environment. Plots 1 and 2 depict, respectively, histograms of great circle distances between PLA runways in mainland China, and Guam and Okinawa. The plots are important for two reasons - the unrefuelled combat radius of the PLA's Su-27/30 fighters is 650-750 NMI and the unrefuelled combat radius of the JSF is similar or lesser.

While basing in Okinawa is viable for the JSF in terms of reach, it is also exposed to the full brunt of any counterforce operations by the PLA. Basing in Guam, or other 'safe' sites, does not suffer this problem, but has single engine JSFs towed by tanker to targets beyond 1,500 NMI, with long legs over water, an environment not unlike that experienced by USAAF P-47s and P-51s during the bombing of Japan in 1945. As the JSF will require F/A-22A escorts in this type of environment, the cost of each bomb delivered by JSF is magnified by the cost of tankers and escorts, and the cost of CSAR (Combat Search and Rescue) assets to cover the routes from Guam. (..)

Most such operations would involve air superiority sorties to defeat PLA strike sorties against Taiwan, US basing in the region and maritime targets in the area, fighter escort sorties for ISR assets and LRMP ASW assets, and anti-shipping strikes against the upper tier of the PLA-N surface fleet. In all of these roles the JSF is of marginal utility compared to the F/A-22A. (...)

The utility of the naval CV JSF is an open question. While incrementally more capable and stealthier than the F/A-18E/F, it is a single engine design which is not a favoured configuration for CV ops... Given that the JSF offers only incremental gains against the F/A-18E/F, the Navy will have a very low pain threshold to JSF delays and cost blowouts. We should not be surprised if the Navy is the first to bail out of JSF.

The future of the JSF in the evolving strategic environment, and evolving US budgetary and force structure debate, is likely to be largely determined by the political clout of the US Marine Corps, and the lobbying power of industrial vested interests. Without these champions the JSF will be fighting for survival."
 

sumdud

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Andrew, welcome to the forum. But just to let you know, this forum is dedicated to Chinese forces and anything not about China goes into either the Club room or the Worlds Forces Forum.
So please be reminded next time.


And it wouldn't hurt to give an opinion. ;)
 

Andrew

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sumdud said:
Andrew, welcome to the forum. But just to let you know, this forum is dedicated to Chinese forces and anything not about China goes into either the Club room or the Worlds Forces Forum.
So please be reminded next time.


And it wouldn't hurt to give an opinion. ;)

Hi Sumdud

Yes, I discovered my blunder and watch more carefully, where exactly I'll start a new thread next time.

I deemed both articles (the other article which I find very worthwile reading is in the genera/international section) relevant for this forum because the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) will in the mid-term future constitute a large proportion of US military aircraft in general and in particular in the Far East, alongside the F-18E/F. Therefore, it makes sense to try and analyse the JSF with regards to its utility in the Sino-American stand-off.

I am a layman in both military and aeronautic affairs and do not really feel in a position to examin and critisize Mr. Kopp's very astute analysis. However, if I am asked to give an opinion, I would say that I largely agree with his points.

In terms of speed, "dash capability", agility and range the JSF will not be a great stride ahead. Indeed, judged on the basis most these indicators, I would say that the Russian Su-27 series fighters will able to outperform the American aircraft and they might even prevail in a "turn-and-burn" dogfight.

But then, the JSF was not designed for the air superiority role, contending against the top-end fighters. It will have an easier time against the J-10 whose specifications are more similar. Yet, neither the F-16 nor the F/A-18 were air superiority fighters but as far as I am aware, they were a match for the Mig-21 and the Mig-23, specifically in terms of manouverability. It seems safe to say that the JSF will not enjoy the same advantage and that therefore, it will may have a difficult time carrying out its primary mission (close air support, tactical bombing).

In the end the discussion largely boils down to a comparison of electronic capabilities and stealth. While my knowledge is even more modest in this area, it appears important to me what Kopp says with reference to the JSF's design, namely that it was optimised to evade detection from the ground but rather than against discovery by other aircraft, if I understood him correctly.

To conclude, in my view China has a realistic chance to field aircraft that will be able to challenge the JSF. The airframe of the Su-27 series allow for large and more powerful radars, I do not see any reason why a the Su-30 and the J-10 should not be at some stage equipped with thrust vectoring engines. It will be far from simple, but the emphasis should be on developping more capable radars in order to enable the Chinese crews to spot the JSF and the F/A-18 first.

with kind regars
Andrew
 

The_Zergling

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I'd say the article was pretty well thought out, albeit a little simplistic.

The importance of speed in hypothetical modern day air combat scenarios doesn't seem to be as much of a factor as for example, the Cold War, when many aircraft were designed to intercept high-fast penetration bombers. Whether or not the Su-27 series would be able to outmaneuver the JSF is arguable, but in my estimates the differences in maneuverability would not be decisive.

As you correctly noted, the JSF wasn't designed for air superiority. If you asked me to draw a comparison I'd say it would be best described as the next generation F-16, and by this I mean a relatively cheap multi-role aircraft that can fulfill most mission roles.

I agree that the JSF will probably not enjoy the same advantages that the F-16 and F/A-18 (or other 4th generation fighters) enjoyed over the earlier MiG series. Of course, the fact that they were from a different generation didn't make it much of a fair fight, but then again when analyzing stuff you don't care if it's fair or not, only if it's accurate, and that's what the situation was.

China will most definitely be able to field aircraft that can stand toe to toe with the JSF, although the definition of facing off is a little unclear. In terms of straight-on air to air combat, the JSF is outclasses by newer Chinese fighters. However, in most scenarios they wouldn't even really meet, as the F-22 would probably be the one designated for air combat.

Of course, the possibility of the JSF meeting Chinese fighters while on a strike mission is possible, which brings me to the last part of your post, which stated that maybe the article above was saying that the JSF was intended to avoid detection from the air.

Frankly, I have no idea if it's easier to detect an aircraft from the air or from the ground, but what I do know is that the JSF's emphasis on stealth seems not to be its main emphasis, like the F-117. It appears to just be something that will help increase the odds of survivability, in a world where missiles are getting increasingly dangerous...

Either way though, the technological advances in this century will be something interesting to note in future hypotheticals...
 

vincelee

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It's rather questionable that JSF is actually capable of performing deep penetration strikes, as it's not all aspect stealthy. Imaging flying over a mobile SAM asset in a JSF... not a very good experience if the commander is at all competent. B-2s and F-22s stand much better chances.
 

Baibar of Jalat

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Lol this article says the JSFighter is not as stealthy, it has been downgraded in stealth class. The Austrailians are unhappy:mad:.

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SYDNEY (AFP) - Australia has expressed concern at news the new generation US warplane that was to be a cornerstone of Australia's future air force will not have the stealth capabilities initially promised.

But Defense Minister Brendan Nelson said Canberra still intended to spend up to 15 billion dollars (11 billion US) on the new warplanes, the biggest military purchase in Australia's history.

Nelson said he was taking "very seriously" news that the US Defense Department had downgraded the stealth capability of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighters (JSF), meaning the planes would be less able to evade radar detection and enemy attack than earlier believed.

The downgrade, revealed on a Defense Department website and confirmed by Nelson on Tuesday, lowered the radio frequency signature of the fighter jet from "extremely low observable" to "very low observable".

The setback is only the latest in a string of problems for the 240 billion US dollar JSF project, which both Australia and Britain have been counting on to provide their next generation of warplanes.

Australia, a key US military ally, plans to buy up to 100 of the F-35s from around 2015 to replace its aging fleet of US-made F-111 strike bombers and F/A-18 fighter bombers.

But some defense analysts have expressed concerns about the performance capabilities and cost of the new planes.

Peter Goon, a former air force flight test engineer, told The Sydney Morning Herald newspaper the change in the JSF's stealth rating would mean the difference between the warplane appearing as a "marble and a beach ball" on enemy radar.

Nelson said he had met with representatives of both US Defense Department and the JSF manufacturer, Lockheed Martin, about the latest problem.

"We are examining in quite a lot of detail precisely what that might mean, not only for us but indeed for the US and the other partners that are involved in the process of developing and then acquiring the Joint Strike Fighter," he said.

"We have got a lot hinging on this in terms of retirement of our F-111s, the upgrade of our F/A-18s and also in what we do with a variety of our other airframes including the P-3Cs.

"We are taking it very seriously but I think at this stage it is certainly not cause for us to abandon the project."

Dennis Jensen, a government member of parliament and former defense analyst, recently said he did not think the Joint Strike Fighter would be a match for the Russian-built Sukhoi family of strike jets that are or will be operated by air forces in Asia, including China, Indonesia, Malaysia and India.
 

Totoro

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I've asked this question in CDF too but have got no replies, strangely enough. Perhaps here someone will want to help.

In all the promo materials and articles i've found everyone is talking how multipurpose f-35 is, how it can carry two 2000 lbs weapons alongside two amraams for self defence - all interally. But what about pure air superiority missions? I haven't found any data on how many AA missiles can f-35 carry interally. I would assume that the bomb rack can carry an AA missile as well, making f-35 able to carry four amraams internally. But can anyone confirm that? Also, is it true that sidewinders can't be carried interally??? That sounds like lunacy to me, but i have read some articles saying so. It must be some mistake as i see little logic to that.

Also, what about underwing payload? How many a2a missiles can be carried externally? two on wingtips, i've read, plus one more pylon per wing. Is that true, that there's just one more pylon? That also sounds very silly, perhaps its not true. I would think, though, that even with one pylon per wing it could feature a twin rack for two amraams per pylon, just like with the f-22.
 

IDonT

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Baibar of Jalat said:
Lol this article says the JSFighter is not as stealthy, it has been downgraded in stealth class. The Austrailians are unhappy:mad:.

The export version will not have the same stealth characteristics as the ones used by uncle sam. Aussies are mad because spending $15 billion for 100 aircraft with a marginal increase in capability (without the stealth) as current 4th gen fighter bombers. Could have just bought the F-15E for cheaper.

Also, what about underwing payload? How many a2a missiles can be carried externally? two on wingtips, i've read, plus one more pylon per wing. Is that true, that there's just one more pylon? That also sounds very silly, perhaps its not true. I would think, though, that even with one pylon per wing it could feature a twin rack for two amraams per pylon, just like with the f-22

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For the USAF version (Air to air loadout)

two internal weapon bays
2 AIM-120C AMRAAM or
2 AIM-132 ASRAAM and

2 under-wing missiles
2 AIM-9X Sidewinder or
2 AIM-120B/C AMRAAM
 
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walter

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I've continuously heard the rumor that the export versions won't be as stealthy as US ones, but have found zero credible sources stating this. Does anyone know of an article (factual) stating this?
 

Totoro

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IDont, does that mean that f-35 carries only a total of two amraams internally? With a cumulative total of internal and external aams being only 4 amraams?? I mean, i've checked that site before and I refuse to believe that... It just doesn't make sense. Also no sidewinders interally?
 
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