Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

gadgetcool5 said:

When you play chess, your goal is to protect your King, so you only look at your King, Queen, and the two pawns in front of it. You don't look at what your Rook, Knight, Bishop or other pawns are doing, or your opponent's pieces, because once you start looking at the other squares on the board, you get dragged into a complicated web of unrelated problems. There are so many pieces on the board and diversity, it is too complicated for your brain to handle. Remember how your opponent moved his Knight one day, and then his Bishop the next day. The important piece one day becomes the unimportant piece the next day right? It gives you a headache and you need to lie down. Might as well forfeit the game if it's that complicated. Here is a glass of water.

This is stupid thinking. The U.S. has put a target on China's back and will try to recruit the entire world into the game. So the entire world is the chess board now. There is no deal to be had between China and the U.S. Whether China acknowledges it or not, or wants to or not, other people's problems are going to become China's problems now. That is what happens when you are competing for #1 in the globe, or are targeted by #1 in the globe.

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obj 705A said:

china generaly followed a non interventionist / isolationist policy for the past few thousands of years so it is safe to say China will remain isolationist for the next few thousands of years to come.
and even when they would intervene they would only do it at their immediate borders in east Asia (eg: the Korean war) when the sovereignty of China was under a direct threat.
you don't need to intervene in far away regions to defend yourself, you just need to build a large strong military for that which is what China is building. personaly my issue is with these small countries volunteering to do what much bigger countries like China aren't willing to do. personaly I believe if you are a country that doesn't exist in east or central Asia or eastern Europe then you should automaticaly ally yourself with the west. don't try to be a hero by siding with Russia or China to try to change the world order or whatever other silly heroic goal.

personaly I always laugh when I hear some of these anti- NATO imperialism youtubers talking about how NATO is dying the EU is dying and BRICS is the future.
in reality the EU as a union proved itself to be far much more usefull than BRICS. the EU offers visa free travel, a unified currency and the ability to work in other EU countries. what does BRICS offer? nothing. if you are Indian can you work in China? are you free to travel to Russia or China or Brazil? what about unifying the currencies? I have been hearing about how BRICS is gonna create a unified currency for over a decade now yet there still is no unified currency and there will never be. there is no way India would accept this level of integration with China.

people here or on youtube talk about how the EU is dying. personaly I wouldn't even say BRICS is dying rather I would describe BRICS as a stillbirth. BRICS died before it was even born. it died the moment it was decided that a country that leans towards the west like India would join. and when a non interventionst / isolationist country like China joined. this only leaves Russia but Russia is not capable enough to change the world order.
then you have NATO which even though it has a very large number of members (30 nations) including some countries that hate each other like Greece & Turkey yet it has managed to unify the foreign policy of the organization not completely but still much more than BRICS or the SCO could ever dream of. not only that but offers actual real protection unlike the SCO which is just ink on paper. NATO even offers nuclear sharing agreements like what Turkey has for example.

remember Iran is a member of both BRICS and the SCO. so we will see just how irrelevent these two organizations are once the shooting starts against a fellow SCO/BRICS member. India will just express it's concern but do nothing. Brazil & South Africa will condemn but do nothing. and China will express it's concern and condemn but do nothing.

Iran chose the wrong path. a country like Turkey on the other hand chose the right path. if any country (even Russia) attaks Turkey then NATO will go to war to protect it's member. and yet some people with wild imaginations talk about how Turkey may leave NATO for the SCO.

personaly I believe if regime change in Iran happens and Iran is ruled by a pro west regime then Iran will eventually join NATO just like what Turkey did. and that will be a good thing for Iran.

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obj 705A said:

china generaly followed a non interventionist / isolationist policy for the past few thousands of years so it is safe to say China will remain isolationist for the next few thousands of years to come.
and even when they would intervene they would only do it at their immediate borders in east Asia (eg: the Korean war) when the sovereignty of China was under a direct threat.
you don't need to intervene in far away regions to defend yourself, you just need to build a large strong military for that which is what China is building. personaly my issue is with these small countries volunteering to do what much bigger countries like China aren't willing to do. personaly I believe if you are a country that doesn't exist in east or central Asia or eastern Europe then you should automaticaly ally yourself with the west. don't try to be a hero by siding with Russia or China to try to change the world order or whatever other silly heroic goal.

personaly I always laugh when I hear some of these anti- NATO imperialism youtubers talking about how NATO is dying the EU is dying and BRICS is the future.
in reality the EU as a union proved itself to be far much more usefull than BRICS. the EU offers visa free travel, a unified currency and the ability to work in other EU countries. what does BRICS offer? nothing. if you are Indian can you work in China? are you free to travel to Russia or China or Brazil? what about unifying the currencies? I have been hearing about how BRICS is gonna create a unified currency for over a decade now yet there still is no unified currency and there will never be. there is no way India would accept this level of integration with China.

people here or on youtube talk about how the EU is dying. personaly I wouldn't even say BRICS is dying rather I would describe BRICS as a stillbirth. BRICS died before it was even born. it died the moment it was decided that a country that leans towards the west like India would join. and when a non interventionst / isolationist country like China joined. this only leaves Russia but Russia is not capable enough to change the world order.
then you have NATO which even though it has a very large number of members (30 nations) including some countries that hate each other like Greece & Turkey yet it has managed to unify the foreign policy of the organization not completely but still much more than BRICS or the SCO could ever dream of. not only that but offers actual real protection unlike the SCO which is just ink on paper. NATO even offers nuclear sharing agreements like what Turkey has for example.

remember Iran is a member of both BRICS and the SCO. so we will see just how irrelevent these two organizations are once the shooting starts against a fellow SCO/BRICS member. India will just express it's concern but do nothing. Brazil & South Africa will condemn but do nothing. and China will express it's concern and condemn but do nothing.

Iran chose the wrong path. a country like Turkey on the other hand chose the right path. if any country (even Russia) attaks Turkey then NATO will go to war to protect it's member. and yet some people with wild imaginations talk about how Turkey may leave NATO for the SCO.

personaly I believe if regime change in Iran happens and Iran is ruled by a pro west regime then Iran will eventually join NATO just like what Turkey did. and that will be a good thing for Iran.

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gadgetcool5 said:

Well yes but if NATO is so much better than BRICS, eventually more countries will join the U.S. and China will get destroyed too, until it capitulates to the U.S. and the whole world is ruled by the U.S. China is only 6.7% of the world's births and heading lower. It can't resist the entire world by itself, forever. That's why China must end its non-interventionist policy to survive. It has to take the lead and support other medium sized countries like Iran, making it beneficial for them to ally with China to change the world order.

With the U.S. pissing off the entire world and acting like a bully, it would be beneficial for the entire world if there was a multipolar world order.

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obj 705A said:

I mostly agree with you. however countries like Russia & China are too large to be destroyed. furthemore unlike the USSR China's civilian industrial sector is far much more advanced and in certain aspects it is exceeding that of the west. IMO the main threat to China is the internal one you mentioned and that is the low birth rates.
so China cannot be "destroyed" however it will be encircled more and more. and organizations like BRICS / SCO will be exposed as a sham. once the US does regime change in Iran. NATO military bases, radars and offensive and defensive missiles will be deployed to Iran thus NATO will have a new launch pad to the south of Russia and the west of China. that would mean the US would have achieved encirclement of China from the east, the south and the west leaving only the north open. so Russia would be the last egg to crack to achieve full encirclement of China.
and personaly I think that is the ultimate goal of the US. they are not targeting Iran just for the sake of Israel and instead the US is thinking big. the position of Iran is very important in any encirclement effort by the US against Russia and China.

in any case we will have to wait and see. who knows may be there will be a new nuclear deal with Iran that prevents war / regime change in Iran (though personaly I find that highly unlikely and I believe a war is almost guaranteed to happen). there are only two ways to prevent regime change in Iran. first one is for Iran to aquire the nuke. the second one is peace and normalization with Israel and a new nuclear deal. however normalization with Israel cannot happen if there is no Palestinian state established.

so in a way it is interesting how whether the US achieves encirclement or not of south Russia and west China is dependent on whether a Palestinian state is created or not. I mean think about. if Palestine is established then there will be peace between Iran & Israel thus there will be no regime change in Iran. on the other hand if no Palestine is created then there will be no peace with the Ayatolahs and there will be regime change in Iran.

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