Case in point.
Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)
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You act as if the Palestinians brought it upon themselves when during the first inception of the conflict, the Israelis were literally backed by the British Empire and later on especially the United States, both in material and manpower supports.
> Guilty of being weak
What a rather unhinged point, the Palestinians were NEVER had the chance to stand up for their rights, they were literally robbed off it from the very moment. The Nakbas were intentionally utilized in order to gave the Palestinians to have no chance in fighting back.
They were never given the chance to fight and when they were give a breathing room to organized a resistance, it was all too late (Israel has been fully established).
Realism theory has no place in analyzing this conflict at all, it is too shallow and only emphasize on the vibes and aura without any substantial ground.
I find it both funny and contradicting that you took a more moralist approach in regards to the treatment of Jews with your opinion on Palestinians previously.
While there are certainly jews who opposed Israeli genocide on Gaza but their voices are extremely inconsequential.
This is a graph of the percentage of jews who expressed their support of the Israeli actions:
Double standard much?
Imagine if one were to say the same about the jews and the Holocaust. Funnily enough, that attitude is quite zionist, they would mock holocaust survivor and deem them weak and less than trash which is why most of them were shuned in Israel.
Another one for the drink
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So the US has bailed out on the Red Sea, sitting down at the table with Houthis where a ceasefire has been signed. Art of the deal or something
The Israeli political establishment are in shock. Trump essentially is letting Yemen have its way with Israel. Despite all the bombardment and air strikes Ansar Allah was able to fire a ballistic missile at Ben Guiron airport. Highlighting the limits of air power. Israel is bombing multiple places all at once. It’s planning the “conquest” of Gaza at a time where Hamas and the other Gaza resistance have totally replaced their losses in some cases having more manpower now than before. Unlike what Israel did the last 18 months of going to an area and then withdrawing they plan to hold territory. They are going to take sustained losses. That the main reasons why the IDF would withdraw from various points in Gaza. Now they plan to occupy parts of Gaza. As long they do nothing about the tunnels they won’t be able to hold ground. They will take serious attrition especially if they send poorly trained and poorly motivated to hold areas. It will slow bleed the Israeli forces. And they have forces still in parts of south Lebanon/northern Israel,southern Syria and the West Bank. This isn’t a sustainable for a small nation like Israel. Sooner than later they’ll collapse from all these multiple commitments.
...of what?
I don't disagree with any of that. But regardless of why, the fact of the matter remains that today, Palestine is too weak, to say nothing about defending it's own borders, but too weak potentially to even exist. Again, we can talk about why all day long but that doesn't change the fact of what it is today.
Again, not denying that. There's nothing unhinged with understanding reality as opposed to operating from delusion. The second Nakba WILL continue at this point. The Palestinians WILL be ethnically cleansed from Gaza. Unless you have a DF41 hidden somewhere with a launcher and a few warheads...or a surface action group along with a few hundred fifth generation fighters, nothing you say here will change that fact. In this case, why something has happened is not as important as the end result.
The powers that could help the Palestinians clearly are not.
...yes, and?
No, what you're doing right now is emphasizing vibes and aura. The 'substantial ground' here is that the Palestinians are going certainly going to experience ethnic cleansing in Gaza. What's important for us as non-Palestinians is to understand that:
a.) being weak enough is a sin.
b.) no amount of moral posturizing is going to stop a PGM.
Yes, because like you, I too find this distasteful at best, utterly inhuman at worst. What unlike you, I've come to realize, "what's the point?" Certainly, on this forum, I can sign the end of every post I have with, "and of course, the nation of Israel must be cleansed with nuclear fire for their crimes". But what will that really accomplish?
Do you even understand what is a double standard? Please explain how I am engaging in that.
Arguably, when the Jews were getting Holocausted, it would have been the correct argument to make. And so they went about to change that by creating the nation of Israel.
I'm not sure if this simply didn't come through my text post, but at no point am I "mocking" the Palestinians. If anything, I'm mocking us as bystanders who are going on and on about how this a crime against humanity, about how this can not stand, etc. At the end of the day, the demise of the Palestinians in Gaza should be used as a lesson for us. Never allow your people to become weak, for weakness is a sin, especially in the realm of geopolitics. Right now, it's Gaza, but in a less violent way, Denmark, Canada, and the European Union as a whole is starting to wake up to this age old lesson.
So hate the German nazi not the ethnic Germans supporting Hitler in US got it.