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From what's happening, HK's ICAC will be probing an investigation into Donald Tsang, HK's Chief Executive, over possible allegations to bribery.

This totally stark a great contrast to China's anti-corruption efforts. While officials in China may have influence over the local efforts, ICAC operates independently. This time's event is especially interesting because normally ICAC only answers to the Chief Executive, and this time they're investigating their own boss.

People in HK also holds very high opinion of ICAC. They make us proud.

I wonder what you guys think in regards to whether a model replicating the ICAC, were to be imposed in China.
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airsuperiority said:
I wonder what you guys think in regards to whether a model replicating the ICAC, were to be imposed in China.
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I personally don't think ICAC is a good model for a country as big as China. ICAC monitors officials, but who's monitoring ICAC? The best bet to eliminate corruption in China is democracy, i.e. keep things in the open and let the people decide... Plus, I think China does have something similar to ICAC in place. The problem is they are corrupted themselves.

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Historically, China has had systems like ICAC. For instance, Jinyiwei in the Ming Dynasty was pretty much a system set up by the emperor to monitor officials. In the end, they became some of the most corrupted officials because of lack of checks and balances on their part.
 
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vesicles said:
I personally don't think ICAC is a good model for a country as big as China. ICAC monitors officials, but who's monitoring ICAC? The best bet to eliminate corruption in China is democracy, i.e. keep things in the open and let the people decide... Plus, I think China does have something similar to ICAC in place. The problem is they are corrupted themselves.

---------- Post added at 11:32 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:32 AM ----------

Historically, China has had systems like ICAC. For instance, Jinyiwei in the Ming Dynasty was pretty much a system set up by the emperor to monitor officials. In the end, they became some of the most corrupted officials because of lack of checks and balances on their part.
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You are correct. The thing with ICAC is, they are independent and only answers to the CE, but in this case, somewhat in a sense ICAC will also be unchecked, so this is a concern that I will associate with, so I think it has a lot to do with perhaps the training and the quality of the members within? But other than that, I agree, that democracy will help a lot, since the transparency is really needed as well as the ability for the public to tear up any corrupted official, regardless of status.
 
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airsuperiority said:
You are correct. The thing with ICAC is, they are independent and only answers to the CE, but in this case, somewhat in a sense ICAC will also be unchecked, so this is a concern that I will associate with, so I think it has a lot to do with perhaps the training and the quality of the members within? But other than that, I agree, that democracy will help a lot, since the transparency is really needed as well as the ability for the public to tear up any corrupted official, regardless of status.
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I hold very different opinion then most of you.

I see the whole episode as a ICAC and democractic process being hijacked for politcal goals.
 
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