How good is this BrahMos II missile compared to any other missiles?
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The probability of ship to ship combat via SSM's today is not very high. The primary threat will come from the air, and air superiority is not determined by the better anti-ship missile.
And if you sail your ship close enough to enemy shores to be shot at by land-based anti-ship missiles, you have... the Israeli Corvette incident.
At present moment, the missiles are land base, but if it proof successful and very effective, there is nothing to stop the Indians and Russians to develope a ship base missile.
This missile could proof very effective against naval threat... even carriers. However the question now is... how many are going to be build and how effective could China came up with a anti-missile umbrella.
AssassinsMace
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Interesting how all that they are saying about this new one is what they said about the old one. So why go in a panic when it makes a miniscule of difference?
And let's not forget about the troubles they had with the first one tis why there is a new one.
Do we expect India to go over in a panic with China's ASBM which if it works will basically make their Brahmos with any upgrade virtually useless?
And let's not forget about the troubles they had with the first one tis why there is a new one.
Do we expect India to go over in a panic with China's ASBM which if it works will basically make their Brahmos with any upgrade virtually useless?
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Baibar of Jalat
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Hypersonic cruise missile, I would be concerned with the range. No country has fielded a mach 6-7 cruise missile, so it would new terroritary for Russia and India.
Scramjet planes that are being developed are envisaged to operate in near space atmospheric conditions, where atmosphere is very thin. The Brahmos 2 is likely to operate in lower attitude, where it will meet alot of air resistance. According to article it will fit in same launch tube as Brahmos 1, but is that possible? New engine and new fuel will have to be developed, so they are restricted themselves in how big missile will be, even before first one has been built. Even I know that is a bad idea.
They can talk about hypersonic missile but no evidence to say it will arrive soon. Only positive is the heat resistant materials would only need to withstand one flight, so less then 30 mins. Still, heat resistant material is still an issue.
Unless they commit huge amount of manpower and money to project, this will not be in service soon.
Edit, lets remember Brahmos 1 travels high above surface*** before it strikes target, giving OPFOR plenty of warning to react, same will happen with this missile.
*** compared to sub sonic CM.
Scramjet planes that are being developed are envisaged to operate in near space atmospheric conditions, where atmosphere is very thin. The Brahmos 2 is likely to operate in lower attitude, where it will meet alot of air resistance. According to article it will fit in same launch tube as Brahmos 1, but is that possible? New engine and new fuel will have to be developed, so they are restricted themselves in how big missile will be, even before first one has been built. Even I know that is a bad idea.
They can talk about hypersonic missile but no evidence to say it will arrive soon. Only positive is the heat resistant materials would only need to withstand one flight, so less then 30 mins. Still, heat resistant material is still an issue.
Unless they commit huge amount of manpower and money to project, this will not be in service soon.
Edit, lets remember Brahmos 1 travels high above surface*** before it strikes target, giving OPFOR plenty of warning to react, same will happen with this missile.
*** compared to sub sonic CM.
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Well I thought they were making a new one because they wanted a hypersonic missile instead? I'm pretty sure it wasn't because they had problems with the current Brahmos
Of course that's their goal but it doesn't mean they'll necessarily get there in the near future.
And I wouldn't compare the ASBM to antiship cruise missiles, the Brahmos can still be used to target smaller ships such as destroyers, while the ASBM would need a hell of a lot more guidance to hit such a small target relative to an aircraft carrier. IF they can make the ASBM eventually be able to hit destroyers then they would have a hell of an area denial capability.
China's ASBM definitely has the advantage of range (what was it... 3000 km?), but it's way too big to fit on a normal sized destroyer and is probably quite a bit more expensive than cruise missiles. (Not to mention the whole network of guidance it needs to hit even a carrier)
A hypersonic cruise missile, if made (and fitt-able on a ship) would be an invaluable and formidable weapon, as is the current supersonic Brahmos (but of course there's the question of how effective it is against modern SAM's and point defense weapons). Having a good number of ships able to launch supersonic/hypersonic missiles at other ships would be a hell of an effective ship to ship weapon.
Why would ASBM be needed to fit onto a ship? Its great range is essentially enough to make it a land based system where it will be umbrella by layer of air defense. Something quite impossible to counter from its launch.
Ballistic missile travel at mach 6-7. Making counter reation time short. Plus, its massive warhead will ensure even not a bullseye hit will cause collateral damage.
ASBM is expensive but to trade off sinking even a destroyer is already consider a good business. Not to mention carriers.
But the ASBM has a limited range in that it can only be put on Chinese territory. Even if it does have the 3000km range or whatever it was, it's only an area denial weapon and is unable to be used for offensive purposes. If you make an ICBM into an ASBM (in case anyone was thinking about it), it would not be a good move because it puts ones nuclear deterrence into question. Not to mention the other various problems which are still encountered by a 3000km ASBM.
A high speed hypersonic cruise missile offers the speed and lethality of an ASBM at an albeit lower range, but also gives more flexiblity, probably lower cost, and the ability to be deployed anywhere in the world, as long as it's on ones own ship. I think such a weapon is certainly worth research and investment into.
But of course I'm skeptical if a Brahmos II comes from Russia and India any time soon, but if it eventually comes out, it will be a formidable ship to ship weapon.
Actually the hypersonic missiles might have a potential of reaching a greater range, as mentioned in the article, the only reason that they haven't not gone past 290km is because Russian was constrained by the MCTR not to help other nations develope missiles with a range greater than 300km.
Which might also means that the missile in service (if any) in the Russian side might hit greater distance because I believe they do have the technology to do it. And I believe that the missile is more accurate as the anti-ship ballistic missiles so if it was mass produced in a much larger quantity, it might proof quite difficult for China or any nations in this matter to deter.
Which might also means that the missile in service (if any) in the Russian side might hit greater distance because I believe they do have the technology to do it. And I believe that the missile is more accurate as the anti-ship ballistic missiles so if it was mass produced in a much larger quantity, it might proof quite difficult for China or any nations in this matter to deter.
AssassinsMace
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I was saying it in jest because it's like China is suppose to be crying or something just because there's an upgrade. GAME OVER, MAN!
Well since the last I heard was the Brahmos had programming problems throwing it off-course, news all of the sudden came that they were working on the new version. Since they didn't get the kinks out of the first one and went to the next one, and given the account of how they interpret Chinese upgrades as design failures, it can only be concluded that the first one was a failure.