FREMM Frigates Program Update and Shipyard visit

navyreco

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I had the chance to tour DCNS Shipyard last month, on a private visit, so here is the report:

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Navy Recognition was recently invited by DCNS to visit their Lorient (Brittany) based shipyard. The Lorient site specializes in surface vessel. It was the birthplace of many French Navy vessels such as Aviso type ships, the La Fayette class of frigates (and its export derivatives) and even several classes of cruisers before and after World War II. We also took this rare opportunity to sit down and ask a few questions to Vincent Martinot-Lagarde, FREMM Programs Manager.
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FREMM Modular Construction in 4 steps
There are 4 main steps in the construction of FREMM Frigates...
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Q&A with Vincent Martinot-Lagarde, FREMM Programs Manager
NR: Is there any US content onboard the FREMM Frigates?
VML: A few sub-systems components are subject to ITAR regulations but there are no American suppliers as far as main systems are concerned. However if a customer requires, DCNS is able to integrate US systems onboard FREMM Frigates: For example for its FREMM (ed. note: Mohamed VI), Morocco requested part of the communication system to be supplied by Harris Corporation to retain commonality with other vessels in the Royal Moroccan Navy fleet.

NR: Is the current crew of 108 sailors a temporary “minimum” crew?
VML: This is an important issue for the French Navy and the “optimized crew” of 108 is its own requirement. Following the first trials and anti-submarine exercises, this crew number has been validated by the French Navy. The maintenance tasks load onboard FREMM are significantly reduced. The other focus was the automatization of various systems such as the CMS (combat management system), surveillance systems or command systems.

NR: Will the French Navy possibly increase the requirement in SYLVER (VLS) cells for its future FREDA (Air-defense FREMM) from 32 cells to 40 or 48 cells?
VML: I am not aware of anything new regarding this topic. Today, the FREDA is compatible with SYLVER A50 (ed. note: VLS system), compatible with ASTER 15 and 30 (ed. note: Surface to air missile)

NR: Currently, could a third VLS row be fitted on Aquitaine class Frigates?
VML: It is something DCNS could study, however today we mostly study four SYLVER silos configurations, therefore 32 missiles. On the FREMMs offered to Greece, the customer had a requirement for MICA VL so we studied a design with VLS cells located on the side of the helicopter hangar. There is always a way to adapt a design to accommodate more missiles, physically we can do many things with a surface vessel, however you have to consider the price the customer is ready to pay for such adaptations. The economic balance is to have an adaptable base and this base right now consists in a four SYLVER silos architecture and a CMS capable to accommodate several types of missiles and to adapt to future missiles.

NR: Was the FREMM-ER concept with SF500 radar designed by the DCNS R&D office to answer the French Navy FREDA requirement specifically?
VML: It is a solution to answer the improvement requirements of the French Navy, but also the requirements of foreign navies. The year 2013 will be decisive for this concept.
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Jeff Head

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I had the chance to tour DCNS Shipyard last month, on a private visit, so here is the report:

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This is a GREAT report. Great pictures and good questions.

These Frigates are very capable and powerful for their weight. Loved the questions and answers. The 127mm gun question was very interesting and the French can have that anytime they want to pay for it.

You pressed him on the additional missle cells but he was pretty firm on that though he did indicate that more could be added if a customer wanted to pay for it...both in terms of current cost and future logistics.

Thanks a lot for this report.
 

navyreco

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This is a GREAT report. Great pictures and good questions.

You pressed him on the additional missle cells but he was pretty firm

Thank you Jeff.

Actually, I could tell at one point that I was annoying him with those kind of questions :)
 

Jeff Head

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Thank you Jeff.

Actually, I could tell at one point that I was annoying him with those kind of questions :)
Hehehe...well, as long as your were respectful and polite, there is nothing wrong, IMHO, with asking pointed questions in an interview.

I beliee you both handled it well. He clearly did not want to go to certain places, and so he didn't.

Anyhow, great interview and great pics.

I wish the US had some decent multi-function FFGs on the horizon. I read in Proceeding this month about the positive features of the LCS, and there definitely are some very good ones for working in the litorals. but usually, they are going to be pretty low intensity, hardly greater than Level I Threat/Vulnerability levels...and that's a lot to spend for that.

They are talking about them accompanying CSGs and ARGs...and that, to me is a stretch for them. They simply do not have the endurance, and though with an ASW mission package (if it turns out to be strong enough) they can perform that role...they are too lightly defended to be out on threat vectors operating alone because they simply are not strong enough in air defense to be hanging out there in a potentially much higher threat environment as a ASW picket for a CSG.

Closer in, in the inner ring, and with a good ASW package, perhaps because they would be under the AAW umbrella anyway.

If a CSG is having to manuever through a tight strait some place I suppose they can double up the SASW and have the mcounter-mine mission as well...but that is much more seldom required.

I'd rather see no more than 24 of the the LCS and see about 30 really good, multi-mission FFGs like the FREMM...or heck, even something as capable as the 054As. But that's just me.
 

navyreco

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I read in Proceeding this month about the positive features of the LCS

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I don't believe anyone is surprised to see the final number of sailors for LCS is around 100 people.

To be compared with:
NR: Is the current crew of 108 sailors a temporary “minimum” crew?
VML: This is an important issue for the French Navy and the “optimized crew” of 108 is its own requirement. Following the first trials and anti-submarine exercises, this crew number has been validated by the French Navy. The maintenance tasks load onboard FREMM are significantly reduced. The other focus was the automatization of various systems such as the CMS (combat management system), surveillance systems or command systems.

However there are some skeptics in France too, saying this number will likely increase following the ship's first long cruise which should start next month (a port of call in Norfolk is planned too ;) )
 

FORBIN

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Crew of 108 more in support 30 to base.

For the moment at 108 worck.
 
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