East Asia Regional Integration: A new Military Alliance in the Horizon?

Autumn Child

Junior Member
Now that the talk about regional integration in East asia is taking shape in the form of closer economic ties, what about the possibilities of military cooperation between the region. How would the new military alliance take shape? who will be in charge? Will the three nations be able to resolve their territorial dispute?

New order takes shape in East

China, Japan and South Korea have vowed to push ahead with plans for a new union that would reduce their economic dependency on the West.

By Malcolm Moore in Shanghai
Published: 6:18PM BST 10 Oct 2009

The move came as HSBC warned there is likely to be a "shift in the world's centre of economic gravity from West to East". The bank has already decided to move its chief executive, Michael Geoghegan, from London to Hong Kong next February to prepare for Asia's ascendancy.


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Japan and South Korea pledge economic co-operationWen Jiabao, the Chinese prime minister, and his Japanese and South Korean counterparts, Yukio Hatoyama and Lee Myung-bak, said the three countries were "committed to the development of an East Asia community", similar to the European Union.

The idea, which is being strongly pushed by Japan, could eventually lead to a free trade block and co-operation on public health, energy and the environment.

"With the rapid increase in trilateral economic co-operation as well as trade and investment, the three countries have emerged as important trading partners to one another," said a communiqué from the conference. "We will make full use of the great potential of the three economies and bring to higher levels our co-operation in key areas such as business, trade, finance, investment, logistics, intellectual property, customs, information, science and technology, energy conservation, environmental protection and the circular economy."

Between 1985 and 2004, trade within East Asia grew twice as fast as overall global trade. Around 53pc of East Asia's trade is regional, slightly less than the 67pc figure for the enlarged European Union, but more than NAFTA's 46pc.

The proposals are in their early stages, and the three countries emphasised that it was a "long-term goal". Liu Changli, a professor at China's North East Finance University, said a free trade area could be in place "by 2020, on a best-case scenario". He added: "Add another five to 10 years for an economic union and a further five to 10 years after that for a true economic, military, political and cultural union".

The proposals come as Japan is struggling with the collapse of its export sector, a key motor of its economic growth. Since Mr Hatoyama was elected at the end of August, he has been searching for a way to kick-start the economy and alleviate the country's debt, which currently stands at 283pc of GDP, the highest of any G20 nation.

Trade with China, Japan's largest trading partner, slumped by 21.4pc in the first half of this year, as Chinese manufacturers switched from using Japanese components to cheaper Taiwanese substitutes.

Before leaving for Beijing, Mr Hatoyama met with three of Japan's leading captains of industry to repair ties with the business community. Fujio Mitarai, the chairman of the Japan Business Federation, told the prime minister that it was essential to cultivate a deeper relationship, but that there was a need for the Chinese to respect Japanese intellectual property rights.

South Korea's ties with China have also weakened, with substantial Korean populations in Beijing and Shanghai returning home because of the downturn.

Both countries now see China's booming economy, which is set to grow by at least 8pc this year, as a beacon of hope. China, for its part, has a long-term strategy of reducing its dependence on the West and building political and economic ties with Russia, the Middle East, Africa, Latin America and Asia. It has already signed a bilateral free trade agreement with ASEAN, the coalition of South East Asian nations, which is due to come into full effect next year.

However, any attempts by the three nations at closer integration are likely to be opposed by the US, which is concerned about any waning of its influence in the Pacific. Both South Korea and Japan are traditional allies of Washington.

China is also likely to mistrust Japan's intentions. Beijing sees US influence in Japan as a way of keeping its pacifist constitution in place and preventing its military from rising.

Zha Daozhong, professor of international relations at Beijing University, said the East Asian community "is just a framework at the moment. . . They need to work basic things out, like the free flow of labour. One thing that remains fundamental is that Japan and South Korea do not want to see an influx of Chinese workers coming in and taking their jobs".


How the numbers stack up

2nd & 3rd

Japan and China’s position in the list of leading world economies. Economists believe China could surpass Japan by the end of the year.

$266.4bn

Value of trade between China and Japan in 2008, a 12.5pc rise over 2007.

21.4pc

Decline in trade between the two countries in the first half of this year. According to the Japanese government, trade between the two countries will decline over the full year for the first time in 11 years.

1st & 2nd

China and Japan’s position in the list of the world’s biggest holders of foreign reserves.

16pc

The proportion of the gobal economy accounted for in the combined Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of Japan, China and South Korea.

30pc

The amount of time Michael Geoghegan, chief executive of HSBC, will spend in the UK after announcing that he is the latest leading business figure from the West to relocate to Hong Kong, which he described as “the group’s most strategically important region”.
 

ravenshield936

Banned Idiot
surprising how history is rolling backwards
200 years before, china, korea, and japan live as neighbors on their own streets
and now korea and japan wanna move back to east asia avenue

if anyone read my previous thread that i've written long ago, i looked forward to something of this kind. sino-japan cooperation wouldve created their own version of british-american relationship, which will set a new counterbalance of the east and west

a new form of "east asia co-prosperity sphere" is emerging LOL
hopefully this time it means like its name

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and btw when can i remove that "new member" tag off my name?
 

Geographer

Junior Member
Hah, I hope nobody mention's Imperial Japan's "Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere" that was their stated rationale for taking over Asia.

I'm happy to see more regional integration in East Asia and it fosters greater economic trade, prosperity, and peace. Internationals organizations serve a powerful role in streamlining regional action and defining the values those governments hold. Every other part of the world including destitute Africa, has more economic and political integration than East Asia. The Europe has the EU, North America has NAFTA, the Americans have the Organization of American States (OAS), Africa has the African Union, Southeast Asia has ASEAN, but Asia only has the Shanghai Cooperation Organization which is really just Russia, China, and Central Asia. The main reason has been the economic fragmentation of the region. After World War II Japan and South Korea's economies were tied to America, Hong Kong's was tied to Britain and Europe being a British colony, Taiwan was sort of tied to America but their economy never took off until the 1970s anyways when they were no longer a political entity to other countries. China's economy was entirely inward looking until the 1980s, and North Korea is living in its own hellish world. Moreover, political rivalries kept East Asia divided: China vs. the USSR, China vs. Taiwan, China vs. Vietnam, North Korea vs. South Korea, and everyone vs. Japan (lingering uneasiness over World War II). Nobody wanted to cooperate and articulate East Asian interests.

Now as ravenshield936 says, China is reclaiming its historical role as the superpower of East Asia, and its neighbors are reverting to their historical roles as lesser partners to China's interests. Regional trade has been surging to the benefit of all nations so these formerly uncooperative nations are now talking with each other about mutual issues, with China more often than not shaping these talks.
 

SampanViking

The Capitalist
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The only thing you need remember here, is that money talks and that smaller countries are weathercocks that automatically align themselves to the prevailing economic wind.
 

solarz

Brigadier
I think it's premature to assume that South Korea and Japan are going to line up with China's goals. This isn't the feudal era anymore. Both South Korea and Japan have tasted power: South Korean economically, Japan militarily and economically. The average South Korean and Japanese holds the average Chinese in disdain rather than respect. I don't see how such a popular mentality will shape their governments into becoming "lesser partners" to China.

Furthermore, there is still a very deep seated, almost visceral, distrust of the Japanese by most Chinese, and I doubt that will change until a few more generations have passed.

Finally, considering that both Japan and South Korea relies on the US for their military, I seriously doubt any military alliance is on the horizon.

I think this quote says it best:
However, any attempts by the three nations at closer integration are likely to be opposed by the US, which is concerned about any waning of its influence in the Pacific. Both South Korea and Japan are traditional allies of Washington.

China is also likely to mistrust Japan's intentions. Beijing sees US influence in Japan as a way of keeping its pacifist constitution in place and preventing its military from rising.

In the end, the hope of both world and East Asian stability lies with China-US cooperation. Of course, one must not discount Russia either.
 
As my username may suggest I think it is a desirable thing for East Asia to form its own club just as everyone else has, though not necessarily for military reasons.

Most of the other regional clubs mentioned in prior posts are as much about recognition of close cultural ties as anything else, and represents a certain degree of mutual understanding and acceptance. From that basis may come economic, political, and/or military co-operation despite the constraints of realpolitik.

Time to represent!
 
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