Dissection of PRC-hating; 3 sins that PRC has committed

Dissection of PRC-hating; 3 sins that PRC has committed and where they did wrong

For years on this forum, we argued against bashers and people who go all out to undermine the achievements of China
To most of us regular members, how the West paints China is already an answer we already had in the back of our heads. And for all this time, I've always been wondering...Why?

Why do they portray China as evil, we'd ask. is it because they are born to hate Chinese or Asians? I'd doubt so. Looking at Japan, Taiwan, Korea, Hong Kong, and even Singapore, and the public opinion of these societies will come up as at least enough to pass the "respectable" test. So what is it?

The first answer that comes to the back of our mind is because China is Communist. Yes, that's probably the answer that came off the top of our heads. But why? Why must Communist be evil? While we know the truth to the answers ourselves(that it isn't), we are forgetting one thing: we are just a minority compared to the mainstream public, who knows nothing much of the true doings of China. If you ask them, all that they can come up with, will still be the typical things that we've heard; and they are all evil. These are the same things that are implanted into their brain by their media. And who are the media run by? People like themselves, and politicians. So does that make the government being the evil one? While that's half correct, once again we are also forgetting that even them evil politicians themselves technically knows no more about China than the public themselves; after all, they are also part of the public. So with that said, the first two points that I am trying to get across will be that China's image overseas is actually generated by the media, it in which is run by the people. With that said, it is a cycle where the people with the same mentality who runs the industry, which in turn broadcasts those messages back out to the public. It is basically an endless cycle of feeding their own vocals back to their own ears.

Having said that, it has never truly been about what China does in the first place. It has always been what the public believed in, and what determines what the public believe in will be what China is, or what's the number one word that labels China. Why's that? If one examines the recent riot in UK, we will see that despite how rough the police handled the riots there, there weren't any true international backlash. The same went to many other democratic states around the world. Why would that be? Is it just because of double-standards and hypocrisy? While those were definitely some of the factors, I can say those weren't the major cause. Rather, it was democracy which saved the British people's impressions. Why? To people, Britain is democracy, so therefore unlike China, Britain "isn't supposed to be evil, backwards, inferior", or anything which we may see that was landed on China. With that said, people will always just brush off negative news in the West or democratic societies as the following: "oh it's just this time." "oh the pesky rioters were giving them a hard time", " yea but the world can't be perfect, right", or even " well that's what democratic societies have to put up with, people who want to create trouble for the others", but never truly seeing it as real "police brutality" or anything that they'd have otherwise labelled China as.

So why is that so? To the people out there today, they don't see how a democratic society to be one can be "a trouble", despite how chaotic internal politics are, and how domestic situations aren't working, and what their politicians are doing with their foreign policies. To them, they just simply can't be that evil, just simply because they are democratic, and democratic societies mean they are supposed to be modern and intelligent. They are competitive, the new era, and the right guys. They are the ones "who wants to earn a living, donate to starving Ethiopians on their free time, and are peaceful folks minding their own businesses". In other words, democracy is the new black. It had never been about truly examining a state's policy in regards to what they do...or at least not to them. And to them, they don't see Communism as any of that; they don't think it can ever the people's choice; rather it is an iron-fist decision landed down by the government in an attempt to maintain "legitimate" authority and control over the country, despite and regardless of what the people thinks or represents. This idea also meant that an automatic assumption that that people had been silenced, therefore "true voices have never been heard, no matter what". They simply can't see "how people ever wanted Communism, and oh actually they never did; it's always been their government who tries to impose what it wants on the people." With that said, Communism is evil; and Communism can never been seen as equals, ironically. Therefore, to them, China is that troubled family down the block, where the husband is abusive, and trying to retain control no matter what. If this public meets anyone who tries to defend PRC's ways, they will simply deem this "opposing individual as brainwashed, because "no one in the right mind will want an evil Communist Big Brother breathing down their necks"

While with that, you may ask, "Well what about all the economical advances and everything that China has made all these years?" I can tell you straight away, that all those doesn't matter, if not, make it WORSE, as the "public" 's impression will just deteriorate further towards PRC. Why again? We all have read articles of how the West always deemed the CCP as "struggling to maintain "legitimate" grasp of the country in the recent years facing inflation, public anger, repression, religious and political suppression, freedom of speech, despite economical gains." This indicates that despite how China is doing, the public(and media) simply do not see economical gains as a legitimate reason to maintain the need for Communism. Rather, it should be the other way now because China is advancing so quickly, so to them, "a modernizing society with an increasing amount of educated people would naturally want to have democracy, so once again the evil CCP's fault that the Chinese people aren't getting what they want." With that said, they simply will not lessen their hatred for PRC; rather they antagonize it even further as being even more illegitimate. This phenomena goes even further in the face of global economic crisis, where most of the democratic societies are suffering while China remains as one of the few without the belly up. The grudge will quickly go on to blame evil PRC as "the currency manipulator", "otherwise there's no way PRC can maintain and survive"

This impression will basically label PRC as the bad guy, no matter what Beijing has said regarding anything from NPT to No-First-Use policy. Anything that PRC does regarding its borders and disputes will automatically be seen as "Communist flexing muscles", but never truly understanding that these territorial disputes actually stemmed from what the Chinese people views as a national security.

Cultural-Suicide
While being a Commie is bad enough, nothing reinforces these thoughts worse than what the Cultural Revolution has done. The destruction of a lot of ancient Chinese cultures, along with the denials of heritage and roots, can be considered the gravest mistake in the entire Chinese civilization's history. People love history and culture; there's a reason why we study it, and we go to ruins for vacations. it also is a representation of ourselves, our heritage, and the diversity of our world. These things all go hand-to hand with multiculturalism and universal human rights that we often hear about. (the same reason goes to why the world "seems" to be alarmed by human security issues, such as genocides, ethnic cleansing, cultural genocides, etc.) If we look at things from a perspective, today one of the things that Japan was admired for was the ability to preserve their culture. Their culture is considered as beautiful, peaceful, and admirable. The origami, sakura, etc, have all taken to represent Japan and for them to be seen as peaceful people(ignore the political aspects at the moment), just as what maple leaf stands for to the Canadians. Both Chinese, Tibetan, and Japanese cultures are heavy on the emphasis of their cultures and heritage, but the differences in paths that were taken had created a major PR effect on who they were as well. The ability for Japan to preserve its own culture had not only warranted other's respect and admiration, but also came to symbolize peace and beauty. Chinese Cultural Revolution, on the other hand, was violent and destructive. As it even cannibalized its own people of their own identity, it made CCP not only so much more hated, but also reinforced and frightened others and fueled the perception of how evil and destructive Communism can be. This would haunt and influence how China deals with Tibet and Uiyghur today and international perception, because now the international "public" out there sees it as "now that the Chinese had destroyed itself, it is out to get others, such as the defenseless, peaceful nation of Tibet". It doesn't matter what the Chinese people think; "the Chinese people don't even have a culture anymore"

Fake Products
The third sin will have to do with the recent years of Chinese fake products and copies. While this is a process that Chinese industries will have to go through naturally, and eventually will surpass to become mature, the community out there don't see it that way. All those fake foods and copycat stuffs gave them the impression that the Chinese are cheaters; Chinese cheat in exams and cut in lines, while "the West" are the ones who studied hard, does everything the honest way, etc. etc. This impression will be the final stamp which welds perfect the impression that communist + no culture = no morals and ethics.

All in all, PRC, not the Chinese people, have became not only the "most hated" neighbor of the block, but also where they release their anger on. This will explain why everything they report is negative, while failing to attribute successes to the Chinese as achievements by the people. While today they might "attempt" to be more "neutral" by complimenting China's economic success from time to time(they would consider themselves doing a good job or very lenient, if not feel bad for not bashing this "evil neighbor"), but when it comes to political, they will always go back to standing by their conventional thoughts.

So what can CCP do? Nothing. You guys will always be the evil assholes.
So what can PRC/Beijing do? Get rid of your party and start a democracy, then, and ONLY then, will they may consider taking you seriously. Remember to behave well for the first few years of this new democratic state too, or else the label they will label this new democratic China as merely a facade of the old CCP. I guarantee it.
So what can China/Chinese do? The foreign rapes on the Chinese civilization will never be recognized by the West seriously until 20 years AFTER the establishment of a democratic China. Ancient China still receives its respect from the world, but CCP-era will never be received in that same way by the international community. A China that wants respect in the international community as a "true superpower", and to be seen and respected as it did during Tang Empire, will have to don the "badge of democracy". Why? Democracy is more than just what it is; democracy is a PR marketing. It is not only the new black, but also equivalent of telling people that you're going green; you're no longer burning coal.

And if you ask me, do I truly believe that a democratic China can solve everything? I can honestly say to you, "No", because this thing called democracy has always mostly been about talking what you're gonna do and then not doing it, PR campaign, and making people believe that's what you are. However on the other hand, I do believe that China can benefit from democracy, because democracy is PR, and China suck at it .

Democracy doesnt put food on the table. It is a geopolitical tool that has been used when as they see fit. Which explains why the dictators at bahrain and at the house of Saud are comfortable but Gaddafi is hunted.

Let the haters hate. You're not gonna change them.

Lol air, you must've either had a really bad day or something rofl -- but I agree with what you said of course.

Wrt the whole democracy thing, whenever I talk with my friends about such matters such as the "universalness" of it, I like to bring up a thought experiment that one day we meet a race of super advanced, benevolent, capable, and relatively non violent aliens whose government is not a democracy (take your pick). Of course, the west/the world which can do any sort of representation to a race of ETs are all democracies and fully believe in the "universal" applications of democracy. Note I said this alien race was "relatively" non violent -- the only violence they will wield is to force other races to change to the alien's type of government. Regime change.
The world/the west, being far less advanced than these aliens are effectively at their mercy, and can either renounce their own concrete beliefs or face annhilation.
And boom -- there's your big revelation.

So basically I'm saying we need to accept there is no universal type of governance, nor universal values at all and only compromise... lest we face an advanced alien race in the near future who look down at our uncivilised governments and threaten us with their laser beams.


As for China... all we can do is hope is either the west can change their current views, or the rest/majority of the rest of the world will carry more influence in coming decades and will hold less antagonistic views towards the PRC. I think the latter is a bit more realistic with the situation of a good number of LEDCs in the near future.

Bltizo said:

Lol air, you must've either had a really bad day or something rofl -- but I agree with what you said of course.

Wrt the whole democracy thing, whenever I talk with my friends about such matters such as the "universalness" of it, I like to bring up a thought experiment that one day we meet a race of super advanced, benevolent, capable, and relatively non violent aliens whose government is not a democracy (take your pick). Of course, the west/the world which can do any sort of representation to a race of ETs are all democracies and fully believe in the "universal" applications of democracy. Note I said this alien race was "relatively" non violent -- the only violence they will wield is to force other races to change to the alien's type of government. Regime change.
The world/the west, being far less advanced than these aliens are effectively at their mercy, and can either renounce their own concrete beliefs or face annhilation.
And boom -- there's your big revelation.

So basically I'm saying we need to accept there is no universal type of governance, nor universal values at all and only compromise... lest we face an advanced alien race in the near future who look down at our uncivilised governments and threaten us with their laser beams.


As for China... all we can do is hope is either the west can change their current views, or the rest/majority of the rest of the world will carry more influence in coming decades and will hold less antagonistic views towards the PRC. I think the latter is a bit more realistic with the situation of a good number of LEDCs in the near future.

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Thanks. Actually I don't even know where I get this idea from, although I think it might had came from a collection of all those people we had to deal and argue with, and then with all those experience, I try to collect their viewpoints and connect them to make a picture that makes sense. I had always been trying to decipher their way of thinking because for all we know, we don't even understand how the hell they can be so "ignorant" in our eyes, so I "try" to slip in their shoes and understand what they're thinking and why, then to make a rational conclusion. I feel that although we consider ourselves informed(and have much more legit reasons to do so), we will never truly be unless we understand their side of the stories and their perceptions, or else we won't be anymore different than they really are, except on the other side of the road. This is the same reason why we can argue with them all day with all the right logic and facts, but at the end we will still not get anywhere and they still remain unconvinced because both sides are on a different channel. It will be hard to convince them with our logic and reasoning even if we have a legitimate one, because if we can't understand where they're coming from, then we can't reach them, not to mention try to connect and enlighten them out of their stupidity.

I do think there will be a democratic China someday, but I won't want it happen anytime too soon; it just makes the nation more messed up than it really is.
As for the universal democracy, I also almost guarantee you this:

The moment democracy became universal, some Western state will be out to try and "be different" by trying to "ascend to post-democratic" government, especially if this state is a hegemonic superpower. Although the US is the only state with this status, I won't bet this on the US as I only see the US to be slowly descending into a decline rather than ever picking up and going any further than where they are currently. I think your example of alien coincides with mine, and I'd agree with you as well.

When I say "democracy is the new black", it also means that something else can be the new black someday, which allows for an opportunity for things to happen. All it takes is to see whether we humans possess enough intelligence and cultured mannerism to advance to the next stage of civilization as humanity progress, or will we let history guide us for a darker path. Sounds a bit zen and all, but political views are a type of ignorance of its own.

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