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By Russia you mean the USSR. Today's Russia couldn't care less about Mongolia. That said, I seriously doubt the CPC has any plans to annex Mongolia in the foreseeable future.
Plan or not it will become almost total wasteland full of desert anyways. Unless China or Russia come to occupy, we will see something like MAD MAX in real life there. Russia will face climate refugees in Mongolia unless annexation to china
 
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Plan or not it will become almost total wasteland full of desert anyways. Unless China or Russia come to occupy, we will see something like MAD MAX in real life there. Russia will face climate refugees in Mongolia unless annexation to china
I think everybody want to see MAD MAX in real life tbh lol. Just like everybody wanted to see some nuke (just not in their homeland).
 

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Phrasing!

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That being said, it's still good news that lower-income cohorts are spending more.

In the first half of 2025 Chinese travellers took 3.3bn domestic trips, up 20% from the same period last year. (Each ride on a plane or train is counted as one trip.) The total amount shelled out by these tourists surged by more than 15%. It was the first time travel spending in the first half of the year surpassed pre-pandemic levels. But per trip, tourists spent 4.3% less than a year ago. On average, Chinese travellers are spending only slightly more person now than they did in 2019. This can probably be explained by the addition of more lower-income travellers, reckons Joe Peissel of Trivium China, a consultancy.

Consumer sentiment is in the dumps this year in China’s flashiest cities. But in poorer, smaller cities in China’s interior—home to vast numbers of people—the mood is brighter. (Close to 1bn Chinese live outside the main metropolises.) The average growth rate for retail spending in five small cities in Henan province, for example, was nearly 8% in June (the most recent data available). Similarly, last year the cities where residents shelled out a lot of their disposable income—say 80%, versus the 60% more common in cities such as Beijing and Shanghai—tended to be small.
 

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my look at the August trade data. Export down 1/3 to US YoY, but made up by global south countries and Europe. Also energy import bills way down.
I only care about one metric, How much market share are Chinese brands capturing across all sectors. Whether its tv, ac to medical devices to agriculture vehicles to factory machinery. Anything and everything that the developed countries produce and design, Chinese companies should be able to capture market share for it.

The more market share chinese brands capture, the more higher quality and higher paying jobs they can create at home and thus improving the gdp per capita.
 

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I only care about one metric, How much market share are Chinese brands capturing across all sectors. Whether its tv, ac to medical devices to agriculture vehicles to factory machinery. Anything and everything that the developed countries produce and design, Chinese companies should be able to capture market share for it.

The more market share chinese brands capture, the more higher quality and higher paying jobs they can create at home and thus improving the gdp per capita.
market access is not universal. China is not America and does not have easy market access into most Western countries. So rather think of everything just in terms of products, you need to also think about service industries where China is not particularly competitive at the moment.
 
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