Chinese air to air missiles

Gloire_bb

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Even with such gross approximations, the PL-17 is NOT in the same weight class as the AIM-174.
(1)260mm is gross underestimation. I won't try guessing narrow object from photos, but t is very clearly thicker than R-27E engine section (260). 300? maybe, but again, it's unreliable.
(2)It's a self-defeating point in any case: Weight by itself isn't a merit; capability is. And the lesser cross section, the less, by a lot, is drag, the less is dependency on launch conditions (H0).
PL-17 should be made really, really, really wrong to match AIM-174. Tbf, i would go a step further, and place a doubt(?) marker if AIM-174 with its SAM heritage will really be much better than piggy the 810 (Su-57 VLRAAM).
This is let alone some other more crucial factors, including how missiles of different diameters do have significantly different characteristics and performances, even if both missiles are of the same weight. This similarly applies for every object that flies through a medium.
It is indeed. And AIM-174 is absolutely a SAM at its core. There is one main solid reason to cut a2a missile length: it's geometry considerations while under aircraft (ground clearance during take off/landing runs; fitting missiles in tandem).
And AIM-174 is a masterpiece here: it's long enough to not fit anywhere in superior numbers, yet it is absolutely large enough to be a problem and not fit under any conformal or internal points anywhere.

It's a offspring of a very capable missile, and mil twitter really tried to rally around it. But ffs, it's really second coming of Iranian Hawk under F-14. Absolute desperate measure, created because USN right now faces very credible threat, yet its aircraft fleet intercept specs are on a level unseen since late 1950s. I.e. they're that bad.
For 2 decades USN pretended, that aim-120c is intercept missile, but largely that was result of no one even daring to target US carriers.
 

qwerty3173

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Current PL17 already shoots further than aim174, roughly 500km against 400km. Another problem with the aim174 is its top speed constraint, the missile cannot function beyond mach 4 and struggles to reach far away targets for limited time scenarios, while pl17 easily reaches mach 6 after engine burning.
 

AndrewS

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Current PL17 already shoots further than aim174, roughly 500km against 400km. Another problem with the aim174 is its top speed constraint, the missile cannot function beyond mach 4 and struggles to reach far away targets for limited time scenarios, while pl17 easily reaches mach 6 after engine burning.

Would you know what the cost of the PL-17 and PL-15 are?
 

qwerty3173

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How do we know PL-17 hits mach 7?
From research papers, I think somebody posted it somewhere here but not in this thread. The paper shows that a missile with characteristics extremely likely to be pl17, being launched at mach 4 starting speed, having a NEZ of roughly 600km. The trajectory reaches Mach 6 multiple times. Of course currently the missile won't be launched at this speed.
 
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