China's transport, tanker & heavy lift aircraft

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by78 said:
I think there might be something to this claim. Below are some screen captures from a news clip that I cannot locate. Assuming the poster hasn't deliberately cut out and/or re-arranged the frames in an effort to deceive, the subtitles state: “运20本身装载能力比较强，包括它可以运送重型的坦克，运油20也可以执行这样的任务，运油20作为先进的多任务加油运输机，使用上非常灵活...”, which translates as "The Y-20 itself has a large cargo capacity, including the ability to transport heavy tanks. The Y-20 tanker can also carry out such operations. As an advanced multi-purpose tanker and transport, the Y-20 tanker is very versatile and flexible..."

P.S. Does anyone have the clip in question?

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There is no risk of poster re-arranging scree dumps to twist. This screen capture alone is certain enough that YY-20 is a multi-purpose tanker+cargo (加油运输机).

Also, CCTV news channel has the text report here
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It said "运油-20身兼双职, 不仅能空中加油, 还能担负空中投送任务". YY-20 is not only a tanker, but also fullfill cargo delivery task.
 
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taxiya said:
There is no risk of poster re-arranging scree dumps to twist. This screen capture alone is certain enough that YY-20 is a multi-purpose tanker+cargo (加油运输机).

Also, CCTV news channel has the text report here
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It said "运油-20身兼双职, 不仅能空中加油, 还能担负空中投送任务". YY-20 is not only a tanker, but also fullfill cargo delivery task.
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In that case, will the rest of the Y-20 production be done in the YY-20 configuration, minus the three refueling stations? Because it sounds like YY-20 can be converted to do Y-20's job, but I'm not sure we have news about Y-20 doing YY-20's job.
 
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It's likely for pre-research; it would be 10-20 years away if they ever materialize into any product at all.
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It is not pre-study (pre-research) if they are asking for production of test samples like

前后货舱门典型密封结构试验件加工​

fabrication of test structure of seal for front and aft cargo doors.

In this stage, it is almost certain it will be materialized.
 
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In that case, will the rest of the Y-20 production be done in the YY-20 configuration, minus the three refueling stations?
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That is question to PLAAF and XAC.
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Because it sounds like YY-20 can be converted to do Y-20's job,
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yes.
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but I'm not sure we have news about Y-20 doing YY-20's job.
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Y-20 can not be converted to YY-20 role. Besides the refueling equipment, there also need anchoring points on the fuselage to fix the fuel tanks. Question is "are the anchors in current Y-20's floor strong enough for fuel tanks?" Is there any other differences that we don't know? So maybe Y-20 can not do YY-20's job.
 
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don't know if this has been posted, but I hear that Y-20U can transfer 75t of fuel
 
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by78 said:
I think there might be something to this claim. Below are some screen captures from a news clip that I cannot locate. Assuming the poster hasn't deliberately cut out and/or re-arranged the frames in an effort to deceive, the subtitles state: “运20本身装载能力比较强，包括它可以运送重型的坦克，运油20也可以执行这样的任务，运油20作为先进的多任务加油运输机，使用上非常灵活...”, which translates as "The Y-20 itself has a large cargo capacity, including the ability to transport heavy tanks. The Y-20 tanker can also carry out such operations. As an advanced multi-purpose tanker and transport, the Y-20 tanker is very versatile and flexible..."

P.S. Does anyone have the clip in question?

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The configuration of the central fuselage drogue position, IMO means that the ability of Y-20U/YU-20 to carry out the cargo transport mission is something we need visual confirmation for -- specifically, the operation of the rear ramp.

The reason I belabour this, is because I feel like most people will interpret the "being able to move cargo" role as one where the aircraft can structurally operate as a normal Y-20 through having its rear ramp operate.

But being able to move cargo and operate as a transporter can also be fulfilled by using its front side fuselage doors and a smaller sized cargo space at the front, which can still technically fulfill the statement made.


As it stands, based on how the Y-20U looks externally, I am not convinced that the rear fuselage ramp can operate like a normal Y-20, but I am very happy to be corrected when and if they show its operation
 
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Blitzo said:
The configuration of the central fuselage drogue position, IMO means that the ability of Y-20U/YU-20 to carry out the cargo transport mission is something we need visual confirmation for -- specifically, the operation of the rear ramp.

The reason I belabour this, is because I feel like most people will interpret the "being able to move cargo" role as one where the aircraft can structurally operate as a normal Y-20 through having its rear ramp operate.

But being able to move cargo and operate as a transporter can also be fulfilled by using its front side fuselage doors and a smaller sized cargo space at the front, which can still technically fulfill the statement made.


As it stands, based on how the Y-20U looks externally, I am not convinced that the rear fuselage ramp can operate like a normal Y-20, but I am very happy to be corrected when and if they show its operation
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I think it just mean the aircraft is piped to mount refueling pods and central refueling receptacle. Usually they're left in either the tanker/transport configuration.

When there's a need, they can mount/dismount the refueling pods and receptacle as well as replacing the rear ramp & gate to change from transport to tanker, and vice versa.

That's not exactly "plug & play", but should be faster than building a whole new aircraft for additional transport/tanker job.
 
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The Observer said:
I think it just mean the aircraft is piped to mount refueling pods and central refueling receptacle. Usually they're left in either the tanker/transport configuration.

When there's a need, they can mount/dismount the refueling pods and receptacle as well as replacing the rear ramp & gate to change from transport to tanker, and vice versa.

That's not exactly "plug & play", but should be faster than building a whole new aircraft for additional transport/tanker job.
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I do understand that possible meaning -- what I'm saying is that the rear fuselage drogue configuration and the rear ramp does not look like one which is amenable to being "roll on/roll off", and is instead somewhat more integrated to the fuselage which has sealed the rear ramp and means it can't operate as a normal transporter in that way.

But as I said, I'm interested to await photo evidence of the rear ramp operating if it is true.
 
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Il78 ( not il78m) can transfer up to 85 tons. Though without knowing the context to the y20 claim, it may not be apples to apples comparison.
 
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