China's transport, tanker & heavy lift aircraft

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AeroEngineer

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Lion said:
Why did you leave out C-17? While only mention cold war product of C-5 and C-130?





The few you mention is mere worth consider as evolving and not revolution new product. But American still have plenty of brand new projects after Cold War like F-22 is a totally new product and is operational. Same as F-35 but F-35 is still not operational but soon. PLus UAV and AB destroyer. Which Russia do not correspond with but I fault that due to Russian budget issue... Still Aeroengineer did prove the point.





If you are going for new concept, new product or expanding the arm forces. It is unavoidable to spend and increase R&D plus weapon cost.
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What I dont like about what the Russians have done is that they name their fighters with different numbers to make you believe that they are new planes. But in fact they are not. For example.

1. Su-30 is just a twine seated Su-27 with air to ground capability. The Americans named their equal the F-15E.
2. Su-33 is just a naval variant of the Su-27.
3. Su-34 is like a fighter bomber variant of the Su-27.
4. Su-35 is just a Su-27 with modern kits such as better structural, engine, and radars.
5. IL-476 is just a IL-76 with new engine the PS-90A.
6. S-400 is just S-300 with longer range missile.
7. Mig-35 is just like the Su-35, an upgraded Mig-29.

But the Russians give them different numbers to make you think that they are new planes.

There is no doubt that Russia has many great accomplishment in aerospace tech and other military stuffs, but I still think they should be more humble. And STOP accusing China of "Copying" their stuffs !!
 
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flateric

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AeroEngineer said:
There is no doubt that Russia has many great accomplishment in aerospace tech and other military stuffs, but I still think they should be more humble. And STOP accusing China of "Copying" their stuffs !!
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With all my respect, China just came to the same level or yet to catch what USSR had back in 1990 in many areas - even while it had a solid gap when we had murky 90s here. All professionals from Chinese aerospace industry I've met in my life are much more humble while talking of accomplishments and borrowing tech from abroad, as they don't write editorials in People's Daily.
 
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Lion

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flateric said:
With all my respect, China just came to the same level or yet to catch what USSR had back in 1990 in many areas - even while it had a solid gap when we had murky 90s here. All professionals from Chinese aerospace industry I've met in my life are much more humble while talking of accomplishments and borrowing tech from abroad, as they don't write editorials in People's Daily.
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It takes 2 hands to clap. I hope those reporter at Russia media like RT can be more humble while rather shooting racist and nonsense facts about Chinese military facts. If somebody thinks Chinese is arrogant in their stance perhaps they shall look at the start/root of the problem.
 
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Deino

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Guys ... could you please come back to the topic and leave that continuous irrelevant country-bashing !!??

Deino
 
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kroko

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flateric said:
With all my respect, China just came to the same level or yet to catch what USSR had back in 1990 in many areas - even while it had a solid gap when we had murky 90s here. All professionals from Chinese aerospace industry I've met in my life are much more humble while talking of accomplishments and borrowing tech from abroad, as they don't write editorials in People's Daily.
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With all my respect, you are right to say that at several fields china is behind of USSR of 1990, and in some cases, even behind what USSR had in the 70´s.

However. thats because russia had political stability from 1921 to 1990 (and WWII made USSR even stronger), while china had strife/civil war/foreign invasion from 1911 to 1949 plus 29 years of maoism( including 10 years of cultural revolution). Only beginning in 1978 did china start recovering from its past blunders.

All that time, USSR developed its heavy industry and spent 20% of its GDP in defence (with 3/4 of its scientists, who couldnt leave the country, working in the military sector) something that ultimatly bankrupted it, and became a developing nation (my school books from 1990 list the USSR as one of the 3 most industrialized nations in the world). So i dont know why are you gloating about soviet militar achievements.

China doesnt want to repeat that mistake. it has choosen to given priority to the development of their country. Thats why they only spend 2,5% of GDP in defence.

With 10 times its population, china will eventually surpass russia in all fields. Its a question of time.
 
SinoSoldier

SinoSoldier

Colonel
flateric said:
With all my respect, China just came to the same level or yet to catch what USSR had back in 1990 in many areas - even while it had a solid gap when we had murky 90s here. All professionals from Chinese aerospace industry I've met in my life are much more humble while talking of accomplishments and borrowing tech from abroad, as they don't write editorials in People's Daily.
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It would have made a lot more sense for AVIC to pass the Chinese civilian aerospace projects on to Xi'an or Shaanxi, or at least a subsidiary of one of them. That way then Xi'an would have contributed greatly to the C919/ARJ21 projects. That would also put the civilian projects under a team that was well seasoned in making transport aircraft rather than taking on a brand new design team that isn't doing a stellar job right now. Another issue is their redundant engine program. So far there has been so many different engine variants of the same class that charting them is a heavy job itself.
 
SinoSoldier

SinoSoldier

Colonel
AeroEngineer said:
What I dont like about what the Russians have done is that they name their fighters with different numbers to make you believe that they are new planes. But in fact they are not. For example.

1. Su-30 is just a twine seated Su-27 with air to ground capability. The Americans named their equal the F-15E.
2. Su-33 is just a naval variant of the Su-27.
3. Su-34 is like a fighter bomber variant of the Su-27.
4. Su-35 is just a Su-27 with modern kits such as better structural, engine, and radars.
5. IL-476 is just a IL-76 with new engine the PS-90A.
6. S-400 is just S-300 with longer range missile.
7. Mig-35 is just like the Su-35, an upgraded Mig-29.

But the Russians give them different numbers to make you think that they are new planes.

There is no doubt that Russia has many great accomplishment in aerospace tech and other military stuffs, but I still think they should be more humble. And STOP accusing China of "Copying" their stuffs !!
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Well, if you think about it:

J-11B, J-15, J-16, are the same plane.

Y-8, Y-9, KJ-200, ZDK-03, are the same plane.

WS-20, WS-10, CJ-1000A, WS-118, are the same engine.

WS-15, SF-A, are the same engine. It is normal for countries to develop many variants for many roles.
 
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