China's transport, tanker & heavy lift aircraft - esp. Y-20/YY-20

Blitzo

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Can I presume it is PSed?

Technically yes it's PSed because it shows pictures of two planes of different image files in one image file.

But if you're asking whether either picture has been modified to try and fool us into thinking something about either plane was real when it isn't... then no, it's not PSed.

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Deino

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Can I presume it is PSed?

Honestly !!! Why sould it be ??? ... it's simply a composition - maybe made by PS ! :eek: - showing both the Y-20 and the C-17 in a similar position. Nothing more.

Deino :confused:
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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If memory serves the PLAAF uses Boeing 737s including two said to be command aircraft. I would think that if Boeing was alowed to sell them and the Chinese have been alowed to build the C919 without all the partners in the US getting slapped with fines then their has to be a legal loophole, that prohibits sale of direct military application technology (IE missiles, military grade engines, sensors & radar) but not commercial & civil technologys. I mean if the sanctions blocked it all how could China have tried to convert that VVIP767? I mean even if you believe the listening device story. the fact that it was allowed to be bought and modified on American soil indicates that their is some give in the embargo. That loop hole would likely be in effect in this case.
 

i.e.

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If memory serves the PLAAF uses Boeing 737s including two said to be command aircraft. I would think that if Boeing was alowed to sell them and the Chinese have been alowed to build the C919 without all the partners in the US getting slapped with fines then their has to be a legal loophole, that prohibits sale of direct military application technology (IE missiles, military grade engines, sensors & radar) but not commercial & civil technologys. I mean if the sanctions blocked it all how could China have tried to convert that VVIP767? I mean even if you believe the listening device story. the fact that it was allowed to be bought and modified on American soil indicates that their is some give in the embargo. That loop hole would likely be in effect in this case.

737s themselves are not export controlled and consider military hardware.

although there are items on there as dual use technology (INS for one, etc)

China acquired them as commercial transport and made modification themselves. which in a way violated the end user clause in the export controlled laws.

as far as boeing is concerned all waranties are void.

as for tecknology export US companies can apply and get export license on dual use items to export to china. such as case in C919. although it is really interesting how it works... not applied consistently, for example some big companies gets some leeways while small company gets slammed.

US gov't (DoCommerce) grants them on case by case basis. wit DoD exercising an effective veto.

They don;t want to piss the chinese off while same time cut off what they think is any really technology transfer to enable them to be commercially successful. really some how power politics going on there.
 

MwRYum

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737s themselves are not export controlled and consider military hardware.

although there are items on there as dual use technology (INS for one, etc)

China acquired them as commercial transport and made modification themselves. which in a way violated the end user clause in the export controlled laws.

as far as boeing is concerned all waranties are void.

as for tecknology export US companies can apply and get export license on dual use items to export to china. such as case in C919. although it is really interesting how it works... not applied consistently, for example some big companies gets some leeways while small company gets slammed.

US gov't (DoCommerce) grants them on case by case basis. wit DoD exercising an effective veto.

They don;t want to piss the chinese off while same time cut off what they think is any really technology transfer to enable them to be commercially successful. really some how power politics going on there.

Unless there's a rock-solid alliance with the US, commercial platforms that are acquired and converted to national defense/government use can't rely on original manufacturer's repair anyway, so for the Chinese government that is within the calculations. The good news is that part and supplies for commercial jets are readily available in open markets, shopping through the national carrier.
 
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