I agree with your point. Chinese simply do not even need consultant from Russian regarding D-30K engine. They have many years of experience overhauling their IL-76 fleet. They even install these engines on H-6K. The only thing they ever needs is to buy the engine from Russian for temporary uses.
China's transport, tanker & heavy lift aircraft
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I agree with your point. Chinese simply do not even need consultant from Russian regarding D-30K engine. They have many years of experience overhauling their IL-76 fleet. They even install these engines on H-6K. The only thing they ever needs is to buy the engine from Russian for temporary uses.
Sorry again but either You don't want or You can't understand !
I never said You should give proof of Antonov's contribution to the ARJ-21's wing - that's a simple fact - but for Your accusation that "the terrible antonov that causes the crack on the wing".
That's the reason why some of the treads are "going out of hands" like You suggest.
The problem is that You support Your own opinion by posting "one inflammable post" without any proof and in the same way You turn down given proofs when they don't fit Your point of view.
Deino
That meant to be a sarcastic joke for flateric. Are 't you not able to take joke?Sorry again but either You don't want or You can't understand !
I never said You should give proof of Antonov's contribution to the ARJ-21's wing - that's a simple fact - but for Your accusation that "the terrible antonov that causes the crack on the wing".
That's the reason why some of the treads are "going out of hands" like You suggest.
The problem is that You support Your own opinion by posting "one inflammable post" without any proof and in the same way You turn down given proofs when they don't fit Your point of view.
Deino
If you want to take some major credit from somebody then sometimes you must prepare to take some burden when things goes wrong.
If you can't read, again - I'm citing ANPK Antonov chief Kiva words at Le Bourget 2011.
Antonov staff at AviaSvit 2010 where Y-20 CFD placard was seen confirmed Antonov assistance to XAC for new transport to Piotr Butowski.
So statements of Antonov chief designer and staff repeated at different places, different times have more weight for me than forum fanboy's own universe.
My initial reaction was to parallel that with the Russian claims of Su-35 sales to China, but then I realised that the Antonov story has much more credibility than the Russian media claims. For one, Russians officials never confirmed anything related to a deal except a flat out denial, it was just amateur journalists who had made those claims whereas Antonov officials officially confirmed their assistance. Based on just this one point, I willing to take Antonov's word on this. In addition, the Chinese media claims their plane is completely indigenously produced which does not contradict Antonov's claim that they gave design inputs.
I tend to agree. Bringing something as big as a Y-20 wing from the outside to china most probably would have been spotted somewhere.
What assist may I know? Without antonov assist , with Y-20 succeed? Yes, no doubt. Just like WZ-10 , they only provide an initial concept design. Kamov chief too admit never involved a single stage of development of WZ-10. He don't even know what engine will put in there. The manufacturing and development are totally Chinese job. I repeat again Y-20 is indigeneous.
Probably you want to claim mig and sukhoi risk being consider under treason to help chengdu develop J-20?
Some of these Russian forum fanboy are just trying to hard to claim credit from Chinese product when Foreign input is only contributed to the mini 1% of the Chinese job.
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Lion, you are so funny sometimes with your statements sounding like you was involved in design process of Y-20 or WZ-10 and have measured level of tech assistance in %, while you even don't have technical education. As it was said above, real insiders much less pathetic.
I tend to call it "fcuking self-defensive".
Well, it so obvious that I left it as is.
I tend to call it "fcuking self-defensive".
Well, it so obvious that I left it as is.
