China's transport, tanker & heavy lift aircraft

flateric said:

So funny
Lion is admitting help from Antonov with ARJ21 with the key element for every passenger plane airframe, i.e. wing, and ARJ21 has no any common family shape with Antonov passenger and cargo planes...
while Kingping forward fuselage and pronounced wing fairing does have
Regarding T-tail that 'Boeing couldn't help with' (that started its history from AMST planes), try to read something about Mr. Dongfan “Greg” Chung and his rich home library...

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Besides your useless rant, there's no proof of much antonov help on Y-20. As for AR-21J, it much be the terrible antonov that causes the crack on the wing. Another good reason, Y-20 will not sought much advise from foreign help anymore.

Or you want to add on that J-20 sought help from Mig or sukhoi? Too bad mig and sukhoi already outright denies any involvement in J-20.

Lion said:

Besides your useless rant, there's no proof of much antonov help on Y-20. As for AR-21J, it much be the terrible antonov that causes the crack on the wing. Another good reason, Y-20 will not sought much advise from foreign help anymore.

Or you want to add on that J-20 sought help from Mig or sukhoi? Too bad mig and sukhoi already outright denies any involvement in J-20.

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Lion ... to admit I was quite calm in this regard the last weeks as I know we disagree, but please don't post such stupid statements like "the terrible antonov that causes the crack on the wing" without any source that proves that and in return there are soooooo many reports about a contribution, do not simply take them away only since they don't fit Your theory !

Deino

My proof is Antonov chief Kiva words against forum fanboy statements. More than enough for me. Period.

And yes, Andreas, ARJ21 wing really had structural problems, but seems they were solved.

flateric said:

My proof is Antonov chief Kiva words against forum fanboy statements. More than enough for me. Period.

And yes, Andreas, ARJ21 wing really had structural problems, but seems they were solved.

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Yes I know that but following "Lion's world" or chain or arguments each and every succesful Chinese product is developed indigenously and the ones with problems, then they are due to Russian or foreign incompetence. He only accepts those arguments which fit his view ... that's the problem, but maybe only mine.

Deino

the problem with ARJ21 is not with antonov's

the problem is that it is a step child of Xian then AVIC then COMAC.

they have no experiences whats so ever. lack even basic configuration control up to this point in flight test program...

they also had some structure problem which is rear fuselage ... yes, Shenyang f8cked up again..

amyways. one can choose to believe but those who knows believes what they see..

China still needs all the help it can get in aerospace/aviation .

despite what you believe or hear. propaganda officers don't make good engineers.

those on inside are much more humble and coolheaded then forum-ers.

Deino said:

Lion ... to admit I was quite calm in this regard the last weeks as I know we disagree, but please don't post such stupid statements like "the terrible antonov that causes the crack on the wing" without any source that proves that and in return there are soooooo many reports about a contribution, do not simply take them away only since they don't fit Your theory !

Deino

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To support one inflammable post while suppor another is the reason for most of the thread going out of hands. I never denied AR-21 is not foreign assist. But to link unfairly all of them from past project to present one is perception problem. Just because china aviation need helps 10 years ago, it will forever needs help?

i.e. said:

China still needs all the help it can get in aerospace/aviation .

despite what you believe or hear. propaganda officers don't make good engineers.

those on inside are much more humble and coolheaded then forum-ers.

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May I know an very advance project like J-20 or J-31 needs help from who? Mig, sukhoi or Lockheed Martin? I do not see any of these company have incentive to help out project like J-20 for China. Sometimes you have to believe china is really that capable. Of you rather believe Russia and western propaganda?

flateric said:

My proof is Antonov chief Kiva words against forum fanboy statements. More than enough for me. Period.

And yes, Andreas, ARJ21 wing really had structural problems, but seems they were solved.

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Y-20 is largely an indignenuous project. If you disagree, prove it. AR-21J is commercial project. I don't care the hell its get help from who.

From what I can see... although China did not receive (or with very very minimal help) from any other nations in the development of their aircrafts in recent years, they still not yet reach a truely indigenious development yet. Until the Chinese could field their own engines even in their prototypes and first flight then, they have reach that stage. At present moment, although we are seeing lots of engines development projects that had reach very advance stages, I am not seeing these engines in the aircrafts. Even Y-20 are flying with the Russian engines, although the Chinese ones are in pipeline.

However, using foreign components doesn't necessary means they are receiving technical assistance from that foreign nation, because Chinese bought these components from the foreign nation fair and square.