China Military Developments October 2006

rahulb

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The Chinese Navy continued its ship procurement program. It acquired a modern, Sovremenny class destroyer built at Russia’s St Petersburg ship yard for $ 1.5 billion.
This is seen primarily to enhance China’s potential against Taiwan and presence in the Pacific. The destroyer equipped with SS-N-22 Sunburn supersonic anti ship missile is said to be devoid of any counter measures available with Taiwan as well as American forces. The ship also has the capability of striking with its Ka-28 helicopter armed with anti submarine torpedoes. Russo Chinese arms transfers have had a long history. Russia has already sold two ships of a similar class to China in the late 1990’s. In addition it has also sold six Kilo class diesel electric submarines and six giant Hovercrafts useful for amphibious landings to China recently. (For a detailed report see Security Trends October 2006).

Chinese Airborne Capability

A report by Robert Fisher, Jr on the International Defense Exhibition Land Forces 2006 highlighted the growing Sino Russian cooperation in the field of airborne warfare. Fisher reporting on the second International Defense Exhibition Land Force (IDELF) from 2 to 6 August 2006, indicated that this featured the Vozdushno Desantniy Voisk (VDV), or Russian Airborne Force in a major way. China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) is reported to have adopted the Russian model of mechanized airborne forces to perform offensive deep strike operations. The Chinese have purchased Russian equipment to build this capability but are also designing and manufacturing airborne mechanized fighting vehicle on the lines of the Russian BMD. PLA officers are also training in the Russian airborne training school, V.F. Margelov Higher Airborne Command School in Ryazan.

There are some differences which have been noticed in the para jumping techniques of the Chinese and the Russians. The Chinese surprisingly do not jump with their weapons which are in canisters. Thus till they retrieve their weapons, the troops will be vulnerable to enemy action. The Chinese have also shown interest in the heavy lift Mi 26 helicopter which will provide them with high level of mobility on the battlefield. The acquisition of airborne and helicopter assets will provide the Chinese unprecedented power projection capability in the coming decades with the area of influence extending into the Persian Gulf and the Middle East.

Helicopter Acquisition Program

China has stated requirement of 2763 civil helicopters of all types from 2006 to 2026, which is an average of about 140 helicopters every year or almost one in two days. The Chinese are also attempting to be a key player in the helicopter industry by 2020 as the China Aviation Industrial Corporation (CAIC) attempts to take forward its programme of indigenous production to meet its burgeoning demand for helicopters. China is stated to be a large producer of helicopters with over 20 models ranging from 1.5 tons to 13 tons.


China’s Military Maneuvers

A major exercise, “Queshan - 2006” was conducted by a motorized division of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) in Zhengzhou, Henan province of Central China during the month. The exercise involved mobilization and move of the formation by rail and road at the end of which it undertook a motorized advance to the battle area. The division is said to have demonstrated its capabilities to fight under electromagnetic conditions.

The Xinhua has also provided an account of the exercise debriefing stating rather candidly that a number of short comings were noticed in these maneuvers. Particular reference was made of the low accuracy of the missiles which was reported at 60 percent and the use of cell phones instead of military radios. The divisional commander was also criticized for postponing the attack thrice thereby exposing the troops in the forward areas for 50 minutes. On a request for fire support it was also stated that the precise timing and location was not indicated.

This surprising admission of frailties in an operational exercise appears to be Chinese attempt at dispelling apprehensions of such maneuvers and is certainly not a glasnost in the PLA. Of consequence is the poor performance of the missiles and lack of readiness to function in the “electro magnetic” environment.

Anti Terrorism Exercises

The Chinese held major anti terrorism exercises in the Inner Mongolia region involving over 2700 troops and policemen. Inner Mongolia is one of China’s largest provinces in the north bordering Russia as well as Mongolia. These exercises conducted over three days had simulated a number of likely terrorist threats such as stealing of high technology equipment from a major industrial city, bomb attacks and kidnapping of hostages in Baotou, Inner Mongolia’s major township. The People’s Liberation Army is also reported to have been involved in these exercises.

China has recently carried out anti terrorism exercises with a number of its neighbors including Kazakhstan and Tajikistan as reported on
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from time to time. The location of the exercises however in Inner Mongolia which is considered as a province with potential threat of dissension, second in priority after Xingjian is considered significant. The head of the Chinese anti terrorism department under Public Security is reported to have said that the exercises indicate new progress in anti terrorism in Inner Mongolia.

The use of tanks and armored personnel carriers during the exercise is relevant, as anti terrorism measures do not warrant such high caliber weapon systems. This may either reflect Chinese thinking on counter terrorism operations which denotes dealing it with a heavy hand or a reminder to the Inner Mongolian populace of the likely reaction in case of an uprising.
(Reports extracted from Xinhua)

Naval Communication Network. China has established a Blue water communication network for the navy based on the use of Satellite communications, 1600 remote units and large number of ships at sea will be covered by this project which is designed particularly for ships in the Paracel and Spratlys Island The entire network will be digitized providing the PLA navy communications with all its ships across the globe. The network will also be used for gaining access to the political web site of the PLA and conduct distance education for the soldiers in Paracel and Spratlys.
 

Finn McCool

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You stated that the SS-N-22 Sunburn "has no countermeasures in Taiwanese or US forces." That is patently false. While the Sunburn is a very effective missle, the US SM-2, ESSM, RAM and gun-based CIWS systems all can kill Sunburn missles, giving the US interception capability at long, medium and close range. The ROCN also can kill it with Patriot missles and the SM-1
 

RedMercury

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Tanks against terrorists? What about Afganhistan? Cruise missiles and aircraft against terrorists! Pot Kettle ...
 

LiLaZnMaGiCsCt

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You stated that the SS-N-22 Sunburn "has no countermeasures in Taiwanese or US forces." That is patently false. While the Sunburn is a very effective missle, the US SM-2, ESSM, RAM and gun-based CIWS systems all can kill Sunburn missles, giving the US interception capability at long, medium and close range. The ROCN also can kill it with Patriot missles and the SM-1

I'm sorry, did he mention anything about unveiling the latest of Chinese warfare technology? The Chinese has taken technology from the Americans and based it into their own ship. Presenting the new Chinese-version of the Aegis Missile Defence System.

The Sunburn missile is a very unique missile, indeed, and probably one of the most feared missiles in the world. American interception systems would nice effective for a couple rounds, but the Sunburn would still have a plentiful chance, if faces with a fleet of Chinese vessels.
 

AssassinsMace

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I thought Chinese "Aegis" was bought from the Ukraine. Now the Americans claim it. How? Usually when Americans claim Chinese technology is actually US technology, it's because it looks similar to American i.e. J-10 looks like Lavi. Interesting nothing inside is like the Lavi and the J-10 is bigger yet it's still American. Chinese "Aegis" doesn't look anything like US Aegis. Also isn't the rumor since the Ukraine had a working APAR system that the Chinese "Aegis" has APAR? How can the US claim something they don't have?
 

Sea Dog

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I'm sorry, did he mention anything about unveiling the latest of Chinese warfare technology? The Chinese has taken technology from the Americans and based it into their own ship. Presenting the new Chinese-version of the Aegis Missile Defence System.

The Sunburn missile is a very unique missile, indeed, and probably one of the most feared missiles in the world. American interception systems would nice effective for a couple rounds, but the Sunburn would still have a plentiful chance, if faces with a fleet of Chinese vessels.

I'm not too sure that this Chinese ship could really be considered an AEGIS ship. The fact that they are making two as test platforms, kind of makes it clear that the system is not clearly understood by the Chinese on a Macro scale. Placing a Phased Array radar system and some sort of VLS system is not what makes an AEGIS ship. I'm aware that there are some people that speculate that they "received" some info on U.S. AEGIS technology, but putting together a functioning unit is a whole other matter. The current configuration we see does not lead me to believe it's comparable.

You're right, Sunburn is a highly lethal and effective missile. The platform China is carrying this on is designed as a ship killer, and it's very effective in this role. But no, there are very effective countermeasures against Sunburn all the same. Including a bunch of them fired at a single target. And there are many systems that can deal with it. Including the Sea Dart, Asters, SeaWolf, SM-2, ESSM, RAM, and others. Not to mention using the electromagnetic spectrum.
 

LiLaZnMaGiCsCt

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I'm not too sure that this Chinese ship could really be considered an AEGIS ship. The fact that they are making two as test platforms, kind of makes it clear that the system is not clearly understood by the Chinese on a Macro scale. Placing a Phased Array radar system and some sort of VLS system is not what makes an AEGIS ship. I'm aware that there are some people that speculate that they "received" some info on U.S. AEGIS technology, but putting together a functioning unit is a whole other matter. The current configuration we see does not lead me to believe it's comparable.

You're right, Sunburn is a highly lethal and effective missile. The platform China is carrying this on is designed as a ship killer, and it's very effective in this role. But no, there are very effective countermeasures against Sunburn all the same. Including a bunch of them fired at a single target. And there are many systems that can deal with it. Including the Sea Dart, Asters, SeaWolf, SM-2, ESSM, RAM, and others. Not to mention using the electromagnetic spectrum.

I guess you didn't see the part what I typed before it. I typed Chinese version. Obviously, a copied version is always less in performance compared to the more stable and moderized original.

But does China have a missile defence system of their own, other than the AEGIS?

I thought Chinese "Aegis" was bought from the Ukraine. Now the Americans claim it. How? Usually when Americans claim Chinese technology is actually US technology, it's because it looks similar to American i.e. J-10 looks like Lavi. Interesting nothing inside is like the Lavi and the J-10 is bigger yet it's still American. Chinese "Aegis" doesn't look anything like US Aegis. Also isn't the rumor since the Ukraine had a working APAR system that the Chinese "Aegis" has APAR? How can the US claim something they don't have?

Maybe the capatibilities are similiar, but the systems are different. It's like saying Japan has a Sony computer, while the US has a HP computer. Both computers are the same, because they are both computers. But deep inside how the computers work is what's different.
 
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crobato

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I guess you didn't see the part what I typed before it. I typed Chinese version. Obviously, a copied version is always less in performance compared to the more stable and moderized original.

But does China have a missile defence system of their own, other than the AEGIS?

I hardly think the 052C is a Chinese version of AEGIS. I think of it more as an improved S-300 floating battery with four panel sensor fusion. As an air defense system, the S-300 carries a lot of its own weight.
 

cabbageman

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Area air defense is important in its own right, it doesn't have to be "AEGIS" level.

Of course, the nickname is already stuck.
 
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