Chengdu next gen combat aircraft (?J-36) thread

Alfa_Particle

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Early in this video Yankee claimed that after numerous test flights both CHAD and SHADE are testing aerodynamic hypothesis they held during the design phase. There will be changes in future prototypes. Some people will be surprised and others might be disappointed, but they are backed by hard data.

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Well then getting rid of the God-awful-looking caret intakes for our dear CHAD is definitely high on the wishlist. Same for the SHADE's groove (at least smoothen it out to be just subtly visible).

I wonder what could cause the "disappointment."

Edit: Well I guess FIVN vs traditional physical TVN could be a """disappointment""" but I for one prefer an actually moving nozzle wayyyy over a boring, fixed FIVN nozzle.

Edit 2: I would gladly sacrifice the J-36 to look worse as long as my dear SHADE looks as good as the current prototype with 2D TVC (or even better :D )
 
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They should ask Gen. Kenneth Wilsbach, head of Air Combat Command (ACC), why he believes J-36 and J-XD are for air superiority.
I think they know what they were talking about, just in the code words with American characteristics, similar to reading People's Daily. From the tidbits I have read in US media, they view J36/J50 going after AWACS, tanker, bombers, and fighters, in that order. So I guess calling them air superiority fighters are not out of the park.
 

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CNN joins the J-36 reporting bandwagon after four months of silence.

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This is a quote from the article of the link:

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The J-36 could see China pull even with, or possibly ahead of, the United States in the race to field a sixth-generation fighter.

The US military’s fifth-generation jets – the twin-engine F-22 and single-engine F-35 – are generally regarded as the world’s best at the moment, though China also has two fifth-generation models, the J-20 and J-35. Neither of those Chinese jets has proven combat experience and effectiveness like the two US fighters, however.
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J36 is ahead of J50 which is ahead of F-47 simply because J36 is seen more often than J50 which is seen more often than F-47. Until F-47 shows up in front of public eyes, this fact remains intact.

With regard to F-22/F-35 superior to J20/J35, the above logic applies, simply because F-22/F-35 have flown to "battlefields" but J20/J35 haven't. The story of J20 handling F35 in the East China Sea is meaningless to me because that was a given by design.

I guess nobody really knows which one is better because the probability of comparing in reality is very low, likely remaining that way in my lifetime, for neither side dares not to pitch F22/J20 or F35/J35 in a battlefield simply because the perceived loser would suffer unimaginable losses in various domains.
 

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Well then getting rid of the God-awful-looking caret intakes for our dear CHAD is definitely high on the wishlist. Same for the SHADE's groove (at least smoothen it out to be just subtly visible).

I wonder what could cause the "disappointment."

Edit: Well I guess FIVN vs traditional physical TVN could be a """disappointment""" but I for one prefer an actually moving nozzle wayyyy over a boring, fixed FIVN nozzle.

Edit 2: I would gladly sacrifice the J-36 to look worse as long as my dear SHADE looks as good as the current prototype with 2D TVC (or even better :D )
I’d much rather CHAD get rid of the dorsal intake than the caret intakes
 

Mearex

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Early in this video Yankee claimed that after numerous test flights both CHAD and SHADE are testing aerodynamic hypothesis they held during the design phase. There will be changes in future prototypes. Some people will be surprised and others might be disappointed, but they are backed by hard data.

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Can you point me to the time where they say that? Also "others might be disappointed"? Oh god please don't tell me they are adding canards
No chance if the trijet config stays, which is the lynchpin for the 36's doctrine.
From a pure aesthetics point of view, they could have 2 separate flatter dorsal intakes besides the canopy that merge into one. This way it won't need to be as "humpy". Aerodynamically though it would still choke the engine in high alpha maneuvers. I don't see a way to solve that with any type of dorsal intake.
 

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Can you point me to the time where they say that? Also "others might be disappointed"? Oh god please don't tell me they are adding canards

From a pure aesthetics point of view, they could have 2 separate flatter dorsal intakes besides the canopy that merge into one. This way it won't need to be as "humpy". Aerodynamically though it would still choke the engine in high alpha maneuvers. I don't see a way to solve that with any type of dorsal intake.
If they do, those are not canards but DRAGON Wings!
 

latenlazy

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Early in this video Yankee claimed that after numerous test flights both CHAD and SHADE are testing aerodynamic hypothesis they held during the design phase. There will be changes in future prototypes. Some people will be surprised and others might be disappointed, but they are backed by hard data.

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At this point in development I can’t imagine the changes will be too drastic.
 
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