Battle of LaoShan

That's the page to a description of the Battle of LaoShan, from an artillery commander's POV, I hope this could trigger some nice discussion about the battle, and if you know more about the battle, please share here.

BTW, what's happening in LaoShan now? Did they build any memorials or anything like that.

ja, memorials. and it's a tourist site now. people are eagered to go to the famous "laoshan front". but mostly people that are about 40 today. as they were our age ( 20s) back to the 80s.
as for me, i never heard of the war until i was in grade 7, 8. i was confused by some stories in the school text of "politcial education", or the primary school course of that. as i heard guys were blind and still kept shooting and stuff. i was like, huh? what war is that?
sino-viet nam war was total BS. This nation called on the soldiers to fight and die, then give them glory at the time. then after, they just throw them in the garbage. like the line of "starship trooper: heros of federation": " the government just trowed(misspelling, forgot how to spell) them like gum and spit them into garbage."
today, there are lots of people around hs, that had served there, and they never mentioned they did. according to me, they should be give all the glory and make every kid know their story. but the nation didn't. well, after all. the glory of PLA ends at 1989 anyway.......

Starship Troopers 2: Hero of the Federation - that movie is very controversial, the government doesn't care for its troops, but everywhere, you can see propaganda "join the army" and "service guarantees citizenship". We've suffered huge losses in '79, and I know that alot of soldiers that fought in that war are living amongst us. But the LaoShan campaign, we fared much better. We had way better equipment, and overall better combat readiness. I think the main reason we've won at LaoShan against overwhelming odds is because of our artillery, and how the enemy cannot bring their artillery into full effect, because every time they use their artillery, we would just use our shell tracking devices (forgot what they're called) that were just given to us by the Americans and destroy their artillery battery. I've heard stories that their artillery positions were shelled so badly that there were no complete body parts left of the enemy crew.

Red Guard said:

ja, memorials. and it's a tourist site now. people are eagered to go to the famous "laoshan front". but mostly people that are about 40 today. as they were our age ( 20s) back to the 80s.
as for me, i never heard of the war until i was in grade 7, 8. i was confused by some stories in the school text of "politcial education", or the primary school course of that. as i heard guys were blind and still kept shooting and stuff. i was like, huh? what war is that?
sino-viet nam war was total BS. This nation called on the soldiers to fight and die, then give them glory at the time. then after, they just throw them in the garbage. like the line of "starship trooper: heros of federation": " the government just trowed(misspelling, forgot how to spell) them like gum and spit them into garbage."
today, there are lots of people around hs, that had served there, and they never mentioned they did. according to me, they should be give all the glory and make every kid know their story. but the nation didn't. well, after all. the glory of PLA ends at 1989 anyway.......

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Threw is the past tense of throw...=):nana:

actually the war didn't stop at 79, it lasted to about 89. 84's laoshan was only one of the major battles. there are videos, you guys who do not go to chiense forum may not see. it's call "operation : blue sword B" there are two version of the videos, talking about the same thing. one video was made by the army is great. you could see how they organized the battle, soldiers before they go in, battle, then came out. then they show you the video of before soldiers go in, and they point out which one did not make it back. it was very sad. only one thing i found funny is before they went in, they were dancing disco with the...funky music of 80s, very very VERy funny.....
ja, i will try to find the link and post it here.

Even today, Chinese fisherman were still attacked by Vietnames terrorists. There's not much we can do, only some minor protest. The Chinese government seem to be unwilling or unable to do anything about it.

I was amazed by the description of the artillery preparations for the 11 April, 1984 PLA attack at LaoShan. Getting your artillery as close as 400 metres to the enemy's positions apparently undetected is a stunning feat. I though that getting their arty OP to within 500 m of the PAVN lines was pretty good, but actually bringing a battery to within a quarter-mile of the front line, well, somebody obviously really knew what they were doing. And after the bombardments, the main objective was seized by the infantry in just minutes, and the secondary objectives shortly afterwards. Either the PAVN was caught totally by surprise or the PLA Divisional Commander and his subordinates knew exactly what they were doing.

The strange thing about the PAVN counter-attacks in June and the PLA counter-counter-attack in July is how the PAVN seemed to learn little from the Vietnam War and (despite how dedicated and disciplined they were, as observed by the PLA artillery commander) how they persisted in using large bodies of infantry to try to simply overwhelm the PLA defenses. Even with the rough equivalent of an entire army corps, the PAVN failed against a PLA division and suffered the same sorts of losses that the PAVN suffered a decade and a half earlier at Khe Sanh, using much the same tactics. The other striking thing about these battles is how effective and how "Western" the PLA operated (especially with its artillery) in response. The PLA artillery showed greater flexibility than I thought they normally used, and authority for planning and ordering fires was less rigidly held than I has hitherto believed. It was also clear that the PLA had no interest in expending the lives of its infantry when they could use artillery to do the job just as well. The PLA seems completely changed in its way of war since the Civil War and the Korean War. Just a stunning performance at LaoShan by the PLA.

infantry Regt commander Chang Yo-Hop is a general now. And his father is a general in China civil war too.

Longtimeago said:

infantry Regt commander Chang Yo-Hop is a general now. And his father is a general in China civil war too.

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Zhang Youxia, Lieutenant General, Commander of Shenyang Millitary Region, since Sep., 2007. He is the son of General Zhang Zongxun, former Vice-Chief of General Staff of PLA, and was born in 1950.