Australia's Metal Storm says China in secret bid for super-fast gun

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SYDNEY (XFN-ASIA) - Metal Storm Ltd, a company that is developing a revolutionary super-fast weapons system has been approached secretly by China in an attempt to secure the technology, the company said.

The weapon, with an electronic firing mechanism which enables it to fire at a rate of up to 1 mln rounds per minute, is partly funded by the United States and Australian governments, a Metal Storm executive said.

'The company confirms that it has received phone calls from a particular individual who it turns out was acting on behalf of the Chinese,' chief operating officer Ian Gillespie said.

Confirmation of the approach comes after inventor Mike O'Dwyer told Nine Network television last week that the Chinese military had offered him more than 100 mln usd to move to Beijing.

O'Dwyer, who left the publicly-listed company some two years ago, said China had been pursuing the technology for several years.

He said a Chinese official told him in a telephone call in which the 100 mln usd dollars were offered: 'We don't need any Metal Storm weapons, we don't need any of the paperwork, none of that.

'What we want is you. We want you and your family in Beijing.'

O'Dwyer said he refused the offer and informed the government in Canberra, which has invested some 10 mln usd in the project.

A spokesman for Defense Minister Brendan Nelson said after the program was broadcast that Australians need not be concerned that the technology or the weapons could be provided to China.

'This will not happen and there are safeguards to prevent it,' he said.

Gillespie said he could not comment on the approaches to O'Dwyer. But he confirmed that about a year ago the company had received several calls on behalf of a man identified in the television program as acting for the Chinese government.

'We are simply confirming that, yes, we had an approach from these people,' Gillespie said.

'It's not an isolated case, but at the same time we didn't consider it a threat or consider it a problem.

'What we're doing is well known -- we have a website and as a public company we're obliged to disclose what we're doing.'

Gillespie said Metal Storm was 'very clearly focused on the US and related markets' and the weapon would not be for sale to China.

The US government had put about 20 mln usd into the weapon's development, along with resources 'of a very high value' such as engineering facilities and firing ranges, he said.

At the very earliest, the weapons, which can be adapted to fire a range of ammunition, could be available in a year's time, with the focus currently on the development of 40 mm grenade launchers.

'We're in the final phases before the product will be available,' he said.

The computer-operated weapons could revolutionize warfare in some respects, Gillespie said, confirming oft-cited reports that the gun can fire at a rate of 1 mln rounds a minute.

But he stressed this was a 'rate of fire' achieved by a test weapon with 32 barrels and did not mean that 1 mln bullets had actually been fired.

Metal Storm's weapons have no moving parts, and projectiles stacked in the barrels are fired electronically, not through the conventional method that uses percussion caps and a firing pin.

'Essentially what the technology does is eliminate all of the mechanical elements of the conventional weapon,' Gillespie said.

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adeptitus

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I find the offer of $100 million USD to be hard to believe. If they only wanted him as a research scientist to work on something from scratch, $100 mil is way too much. If he really did receive such a phone call, then he's smart for not accepting it, because there's no guarentee that the offer was real and it might've been some amateur tempting him with a bait-and-switch.

The other possibility is that he's BS'ing and looking for additional funding from the governments of AUS and US. i.e. "look the Chinese are offering me $100 million, where's my funding?". His company doesn't have a finished product and has yet to generate any profits.
 

Obcession

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China would not simply offer a researcher with a lot of money and say "come to Beijing to work for us." This article seems bizarre beyond comprehension.
 

Finn McCool

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Metal Storm is the next generation of CIWS. Its rapid fire ability is far more capable then a multi-barrel gun, and its automated ability is well suited to attacking incoming missles.
 

Su-34

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Metal Storm is the next generation of CIWS. Its rapid fire ability is far more capable then a multi-barrel gun, and its automated ability is well suited to attacking incoming missles.

However it may be too expensive to mass-produce by the hundreds. I predict that Metal Storm will only be deployed to protect high-value assets and not for protecting small units that has no strategic value.
 

wdl1976

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The metalstorm technology may seemed to be a simple new gun mechanism. That replaces conventional trigger with electronic trigger.

If that is the only case any electrician can make one.

The problem with the gun comes due to some existing problem that I know
1. The projectiles are stuffed in the barrel which to load more bullet you will need longer barrel and new more efficient feeding mechanism which can keep up to the gun need to be invented
2. Balistical problem due to stuffing multiple bullets in the barrel
3. Wear of the barrel due to high rate of fire

I think there will also be problem with reliability and maintenance. Electronics does not go well with dust and stuff.

On the other hand the extreme high rate of power would exceed that of a Gatling gun (use your own imagination on how this can be used and if mounted on a flying platform can be a very effective strafing weapon)

Current developments are for UAV, law enforcements and 40 mm caliber gun.

I would suppose this technology could be also be used on tank guns etc. Imagine a tank that can fire multiple HE rounds in less then a second?

They are also developing this gun as a mortar and currently being developed for fire fighting by ejecting water or chemical bomb to put out the fire.

Also the gun was supposed to be cheaper to produce and it would be a lot lighter to conventional guns
 
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sumdud

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I think Metal Storm is loaded with disposable barrels, not individual bullets. The default system is the box and the electronic stuff. So barrel is not applicable.

I don't understand the practicality of such high rates of fire however. And you can't really fire this thing w/ tank rounds or anything that big. The recoil would be huge.
 

wdl1976

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If they used diposable barrel means that they will lose the advantage of the high rate of fire. I reckon replacing barrels would take some time wouldnt it?

And how many bullets can you actually stuff in a barrel? Say maximum 1-200 small calibres.

They will have to develop a magazine.

The bullets are different from conventional bullet.
The bullet in the front has less explosive then the one behind to solve the balistic problem. otherwise the bullet behind would have more speed when fired.

As with tank gun, I dont see why not. Recoil would be taken care of by the gun suspension and depends on whether the platform can handle it. The advantage would be it can fire multiple bullets before the gun recoils. Right now I think it recoils whenever 1 bulet is fired (personal opinion correct me if I am wrong)

Anyway if you have seen dogfight movies when the pilots fire their machine gun you can see the bullet lagged behind this would not happen with metal storm.

Anyway if you accessed their website you can get schematics of design, even some testing movie of UAV test, 40 mm fire test (area protection system combined with motion sensors.) Again when in full production the cost of building this weapon is expected to be economical.

Also US department of energy has signed a contract with them for area protection.
 
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sumdud

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From what I've seen, Metalstorm's firing structure is a box. You put in the loaded barrels which comes these rows with one barrel on top of another, loading the rows side by side.

The bullet in the front has less explosive then the one behind to solve the balistic problem. otherwise the bullet behind would have more speed when fired.
??? The rounds in front should have more powder if you want to avoid the bullets rearing each other. Also, the bullet in front has less barrel to travel through, so in order to get the same muzzle velocity as those fired later, the bullet's still need more powder.

And I wouldn't count on using big rounds for this. Maybe smaller calibers can be used for tanks, say, the 60mm HVMS.
 
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