Adversary of Alexangder in China

linxj1987

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Some one compares the military talent between Alexander and the Emperor of Qin. Errrr.....

In chinese history, emperors hardly directly battles. They usually accredit their generals to lead the army. So, it is not suitable to campare the military talent between Alexander and the Emperor.

If Alexander invade China, his adversary might be Bai Qi of Qin, surely not the emperor of Qin.

Bai Qi, some one called him God of War, but his other nickname is Human Butcher because of he killed 400000 prisoner. His has great military talent, but because of killing so many prisoner, history didnt give him an affirmative evaluate.


Sorry, my English is not so well, so i maybe made some foolish mistake. Pardon me, thanks.
 

linxj1987

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Xiangyu vs Alexander the great now that would be...wait that is not equal, Xiangyu would rock Alexander.

Xiangyu is surely a great warrior and a valorous general just like Achilles. But I dont think he is good at using strategy. So, he was defeated by Liu Bang, a hooligan who used strategy very well.

In old years of China, most of the best generals are intellectuals just like Sunzi, Baiqi and Zhou peigong(a general of earlier Qing, I like him very much). On the battle field, a common soilder can kill them easily. But this cant disturb them becoming greatest generals.
 

pla101prc

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Xiangyu is surely a great warrior and a valorous general just like Achilles. But I dont think he is good at using strategy. So, he was defeated by Liu Bang, a hooligan who used strategy very well.

In old years of China, most of the best generals are intellectuals just like Sunzi, Baiqi and Zhou peigong(a general of earlier Qing, I like him very much). On the battle field, a common soilder can kill them easily. But this cant disturb them becoming greatest generals.

actually Xiangyu is a great tactician. he'd make a good general but he was a bad leader. so he and alexander would actually make a pretty good match. I am not sure who will win though, but if it was Han Xin or Bai Qi vs Alexander i'd say China's side would win.
 

linxj1987

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Xiangyu is surely a great tactician, and a great warrior. In the battle field, he can use correct tacticses and fully inspire the morale. A good example is Battle of Julu. But on the whole strategy he completely failed. So, I dont think he is a good general.
 

ravenshield936

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the whole idea of breaking out of a trap of 200 men and leading 28 cavalry out without a single loss, is indeed something i doubt alexander can do. this being skills and also knowing the enemy good enough.
 

zhoujunallen

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Some one compares the military talent between Alexander and the Emperor of Qin. Errrr.....

In chinese history, emperors hardly directly battles. They usually accredit their generals to lead the army. So, it is not suitable to campare the military talent between Alexander and the Emperor.

If Alexander invade China, his adversary might be Bai Qi of Qin, surely not the emperor of Qin.
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errrr....

emperors hardly directly battles...Is that right?In my kownledge,there are severa epochs that sovrans directly battles,such as Spring&autumn age ,battle states age and five dynastis&ten states age.

In Spring&autumn age,there are many example .such as Qi-huan-gong , the marquis of Qi.He used to led an expedition to desert.And Jin-wen-gong, the marquis of Jin,used to led a campaign against the kingdom of Chu , in Chengpu ,and he joined the battle directly either.
A poem in the Bible of Poem,which says that when our king join a battle, our count would take a spear and be the vanguard.

In battle states age, this situation was fewer. But Zhao-wuling-wang,the king of Zhao and the forme of Chinese cavalry ,led his riders defeated Loufan,and take the land of Dai.

Almost all adult severas battle directly in the five dynastis&ten states age.Jin-chu-di,the empire of later Jin,use to battle and fefeat Qidan,a formidable nomad state, in Chanyuan.The Maybe the experience of being a warlord make it into instinct.The most famous ones are Tang-zhuang-zong,Tang-ming-zong,the empires of the later Tang dynasty,and Zhou-shi-zong ,the empire of the later Zhou dynasty who nearly consolidate whole north China.the last one of they three battled in Gaoping where he led his guard to fight and got the finally victory when his right flank was nearly broken.

Maybe empires directly battle when their states are unstable.Once the state runs on the right path, empires need not go to battlefield at all.
 
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rhino123

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Some one compares the military talent between Alexander and the Emperor of Qin. Errrr.....

In chinese history, emperors hardly directly battles. They usually accredit their generals to lead the army. So, it is not suitable to campare the military talent between Alexander and the Emperor.

If Alexander invade China, his adversary might be Bai Qi of Qin, surely not the emperor of Qin.

Bai Qi, some one called him God of War, but his other nickname is Human Butcher because of he killed 400000 prisoner. His has great military talent, but because of killing so many prisoner, history didnt give him an affirmative evaluate.


Sorry, my English is not so well, so i maybe made some foolish mistake. Pardon me, thanks.

Actually if Alexandra was to invade China, he will not be seeing Bai Qi. Alexandra was born in 356BC and died in 323BC. Bai Qi is born somewhere in the 200s BC and died in 257BC. As you can see, it was around 100years different. At the time of Alexandra, Qin is still not really very strong yet. If he was to enter China, he will most probably met resistance from the rest of the states first. And actually it is not really clear who will win and how.

It is worst off if you are talking about Xiang Yu or Liu Ban vs Alexandra the Great. These are not in the same era. And by the time of Xiang Yu and Liu Bang, many of the system had already been establish such as standardization, quality control, etc and so it really is not a very fair comparison.

If we insist on comparing the Xiang Yu with Alexandra the great, we would need to look into more details such as the troop training, number of troops, geographical and terrain on where they will fight, etc. Also we have to look at when the invasion will take place - before the fall of Qin empire or after the fall of Qin empire. If it was before the fall of Qin empire, then Alexandra would have to first destroy the Qin empire. There is two outcomes though,

Outcome 1:

Xiang Yu to aid Alexandra in destroying Qin Empire, so as to remove the dynasty. While at that Xiang Yu might use Alexandra to help destroy his mortal enemy and when Alexandra is fresh from battle and tire from the war, he will launch a surprise attack to destroy Alexandra and perhaps absorb his troop.

Outcome 2:

Xiang Yu will aid the king of Qin to defend against Alexandra the great. Then with the combined force of both Xiang Yu and Qin, Alexandra will stand no chance. However the battle will be long and casaulty will be incredible. This will no doubt benefit Liu Bang.

If Alexandra was to attack after the fall of Qin, which was also the start of Xiang Yu vs Liu Bang, then we will also be seeing 2 outcomes,

Outcome 1:

Xiang Yu and Liu Ban join force to fight against Alexandra the great.

Outcome 2:

Either Xiang Yu or Liu Ban will join force with Alexandra the great to battle the other force.

The final outcome will be undecisive but be sure that there will be a great many casualty on both side.

If Alexandra the Great was to attack China on any era, we have to actually look at the distance that his troop had to cross. And please be reminded that they do not have the same transport that we have now or the same transport that Mongol warriors have in Yuan Dynasty.

Thus crossing mountains to reach China would certainly weigh down on Alexandra's troop and they would have no rest... because the hardened veterans of the warring period will launch offensive on them immediately. Plus Alexandra the Great is the invasion party and they are not familiar with the terrain, weather and geography of China, which therefore will be a great disadvantage to them.
 

pla101prc

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lol there is no way alexander can expect to get help from any ofthe state. it might be the case that some of the state might free ride the collective defence that everyone is bound to be part of, but no one is gonna openly side with alexander. if you are familiar with history of that time you should know how Chinese think of barbarians, there were instances where all the states who were at war with each other came to the rescue of states under attack from barbarians.
and if alexander were to march east he will encounter Qin first, then prolly Chu, which was the largest and extremely powerful state. i am not sure if Jin was still around by that time, but even if it wasnt, after it had dissolved one of the state was the strongest of all states at the time and that was Wei. Wei had heavy infantry as well like alexander. and Zhao has really good calvary. Han was less powerful but would have enough soldiers to slow them down. even if they were defeated, the weakened alexander would then have to face the most powerful state Qi. Qi's capital linzi was the largest city in the world til its fall, just to give you a gauge of how powerful it was. so conclusion, doesnt matter how alexander wants to go about it, you can give him twice the original number of soldiers he had, he will fail.
 
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