broadsword
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They should take note that China excels in shooting competitions at the Olympics and the ISSF World Shooting Championships
2008 and future Olympic Games.
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They should take note that China excels in shooting competitions at the Olympics and the ISSF World Shooting Championships
Re: China Takes home World Sniper Cup. 2011
Same can be said to Chinese side or any of the nations competing. It to me just sounds like another excuse for loosing. You loose you loose no excuse in the military. They should stop making excuses for every time the loose something, kind of reminds me of the Beijing Olympics now.
Same can be said to Chinese side or any of the nations competing. It to me just sounds like another excuse for loosing. You loose you loose no excuse in the military. They should stop making excuses for every time the loose something, kind of reminds me of the Beijing Olympics now.
broadsword
Brigadier
Re: China Takes home World Sniper Cup. 2011
Their media sorted the wins by total medals won rather than by the color of medals. In some competitions, it is the small nations, particularly the east European nations that surprise the major powers. In archery, the South Koreans are king.
Their media sorted the wins by total medals won rather than by the color of medals. In some competitions, it is the small nations, particularly the east European nations that surprise the major powers. In archery, the South Koreans are king.
vesicles
Colonel
Re: China Takes home World Sniper Cup. 2011
Not to be off-topic, but I do believe there is logic in counting the total metals, instead of counting only the gold. On the level of Olympics, any metal is world class. The athletes who win any kind of metal put in the same amount of time and dedication to put themselves in position to win a metal. Except a few extraordinarily talented ones like Mike Phelps, most of these athletes are on the same level. A lot of times, it's only luck that decides who wins gold and who wins the silver. Is it fair to only consider the gold as if only gold counts and silver metal doesn't mean anything? I think it is only fair to also recognize all those who win metals.
Also, I believe counting only gold can be misleading sometimes. Part of the reason of participating in Olympics is to showcase a nation's athletic abilities. Let's say we have two nations, nation A wins 40 gold, 40 silver and 40 bronze while nation B wins 50 gold, 10 silver and 5 bronze. When counting only gold, nation B is definitely superior, but does that mean nation B has superior athletic programs? Its athletic programs are not balanced. If they are good at something, they are really good. However, if they are not good at something, they suck so bad that they can't win anything. This compares with nation A where their athletic programs are well balanced and they have world class athletes in majority of the fields.
However, counting all metals as the same is also not a good way. I am thinking doing it like GPA in schools. Gold metal counts as 4 points, silver counts as 3 points and bronze counts as 2 points. So at the end, we add them all up and see who has the highest point total. This way, all metals are counted and recognized and at the same time the elite status of gold is also considered.
P.S. I actually calculated the point totals for both the US and China in Beijing Olympics using my GPA method. The US has slightly higher point totals.
Not to be off-topic, but I do believe there is logic in counting the total metals, instead of counting only the gold. On the level of Olympics, any metal is world class. The athletes who win any kind of metal put in the same amount of time and dedication to put themselves in position to win a metal. Except a few extraordinarily talented ones like Mike Phelps, most of these athletes are on the same level. A lot of times, it's only luck that decides who wins gold and who wins the silver. Is it fair to only consider the gold as if only gold counts and silver metal doesn't mean anything? I think it is only fair to also recognize all those who win metals.
Also, I believe counting only gold can be misleading sometimes. Part of the reason of participating in Olympics is to showcase a nation's athletic abilities. Let's say we have two nations, nation A wins 40 gold, 40 silver and 40 bronze while nation B wins 50 gold, 10 silver and 5 bronze. When counting only gold, nation B is definitely superior, but does that mean nation B has superior athletic programs? Its athletic programs are not balanced. If they are good at something, they are really good. However, if they are not good at something, they suck so bad that they can't win anything. This compares with nation A where their athletic programs are well balanced and they have world class athletes in majority of the fields.
However, counting all metals as the same is also not a good way. I am thinking doing it like GPA in schools. Gold metal counts as 4 points, silver counts as 3 points and bronze counts as 2 points. So at the end, we add them all up and see who has the highest point total. This way, all metals are counted and recognized and at the same time the elite status of gold is also considered.
P.S. I actually calculated the point totals for both the US and China in Beijing Olympics using my GPA method. The US has slightly higher point totals.
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tanlixiang28776
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vesicles
Colonel
Re: China Takes home World Sniper Cup. 2011
SO I am not the first one proposing this? Bummer...
SO I am not the first one proposing this? Bummer...
broadsword
Brigadier
Re: China Takes home World Sniper Cup. 2011
That's irrelevant to the issue here. Before the Beijing Olympics when China got the lion's share of the gold medals, the US media never used your kind of maths in drawing up the medals table. But after that, they behaved like sore losers like probably the shooter who griped about the competition.
That's irrelevant to the issue here. Before the Beijing Olympics when China got the lion's share of the gold medals, the US media never used your kind of maths in drawing up the medals table. But after that, they behaved like sore losers like probably the shooter who griped about the competition.
Re: China Takes home World Sniper Cup. 2011
I could be wrong, but if we use 3,2,1 or 5,3,1 scale then China had the slightly higher "point" total? 4,3,2 doesn't seem very logical to me.
I could be wrong, but if we use 3,2,1 or 5,3,1 scale then China had the slightly higher "point" total? 4,3,2 doesn't seem very logical to me.
solarz
Brigadier
Re: China Takes home World Sniper Cup. 2011
Ignoring the motivation of US media, I think a high gold count (at the detriment of a total medal count) reflects a specialization in a few disciplines, while a high overall medal count reflects a more general achievement.
Ignoring the motivation of US media, I think a high gold count (at the detriment of a total medal count) reflects a specialization in a few disciplines, while a high overall medal count reflects a more general achievement.
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