09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

[antiterror13]

Consider that the US military has a very large number of active combat missions and the attendant casualties. So the regular US military budget is always burdened with the additional cost of a medical establishment sized for a moderate? level of casualties.

In comparison, the Chinese military is at peace.

but but but, China hasn't been at war since 1979, so the military, soldiers and weapon systems are not tested and no experience in combat

 

[para80]

Is there any info on how many 093s & 093As there are? Pentagon reports/English wiki say 6 but Chinese wiki says several more.

There is no reliable info per se, as the PLA does not disclose those stats. Treat US estimates as a minimum but consider Chinese wiki etc highly unreliable here. The six plus six (SSN/SSBN) had been carried over for a while in the US reports and is problematic insofar as older boats IMO remain in commission longer than expected (the last few boats of the 09-I type) while more 09-III are coming into the fleet. At the same time its not clear where the line is re operational boats vs produced hulls. The entire aspect of training and crewing these hulls is completely opaque beyond anecdotal reporting IMO. Suffice to say towards the 2030s we should see a notable revision unless PLAN retires early 09-III hulls long before they are reaching end of useful life.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

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Big warship carrier and submarine days are over. Loyal man, mantra uuv, or any kind of unmanned platform are the real deal.

That's an over-generalization and over-simplification of how wars are (to be) conducted, alongside the lack of understanding on how these so called "real deals" operate in the overall scheme of things. Where are the discussions on the overreaching range of platforms, logistics, doctrines and many other factors that should come with and enable these "real deals" to work like how they should be?

In the meantime, The National Interest should be avoided. That website is actually worse than The War Zone when it comes to military-related reporting.