Chengdu next gen combat aircraft (?J-36) thread

burritocannon said:

this is a ridiculous feedback loop here, how did we go from "pakaf vindicates plaaf" to "pakaf isnt plaaf" to "pakaf could be plaaf" to now "pakaf fanboys"
you should slow down and actually try to comprehend the intent behind the posts, i think.

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Because PAF shoot downs a couple French Rafales and now all the Pakistani fanboys feel they are due to receive all the top-line gears in PLA inventory.

They are truly delusional, just like the Indians. Both countries are honestly made for each other.

China should play their cards carefully and not try to get entrenched in one camp. Who knows what the future might be? Like I said, I can see China easily getting very friendly terms with India. I mean their huge population would be a decent market for China's manufacturing if "future geopolitical conditions are right."

PAF got their airbases smashed they shouldn't get too cocky. Even the best jets in the world are vulnerable when on the ground, even the US military knows this and is slowly starting to upgrade their airfields and protection.

Kich said:

Because PAF shoot downs a couple French Rafales and now all the Pakistani fanboys feel they are due to receive all the top-line gears in PLA inventory.

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i think you're projecting. the replies only got to spitballing the idea of pakistani j-36's because each reply in turn only responded to keywords of paf and j-36. nobody once asserted "i think paf should receive j-36s". they just started assuming that paf j-36 was the theme to speculate on because suddenly it has become, quite literally, a game of chinese whispers.

Kich said:

Because PAF shoot downs a couple French Rafales and now all the Pakistani fanboys feel they are due to receive all the top-line gears in PLA inventory.

They are truly delusional, just like the Indians. Both countries are honestly made for each other.

China should play their cards carefully and not try to get entrenched in one camp. Who knows what the future might be? Like I said, I can see China easily getting very friendly terms with India. I mean their huge population would be a decent market for China's manufacturing if "future geopolitical conditions are right."

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Is there a reason you hide your profile and location?

iewgnem said:

Is there a reason you hide your profile and location?

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Haha. No reason. Just want to appear neutral when I'm here. No way am I associated with either India and Pakistan.

You can check my content history if you want.

iewgnem said:

Is there a reason you hide your profile and location?

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They all were out in force just before the 6-7, and then went into hiding for a few days and are now back out again.

Nx4eu said:

PAF got their airbases smashed they shouldn't get too cocky.

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says the guy in...Canada!

Blitzo hit the point on what was being discussed, and then we have these 2-3 guys who are trying-hard to twist everything and trying to make it into what no-one said. Wierd mixture of Jai-Hinds roleplaying some wierd mix of ultranationalistic supremacists.

Bottom line is, its India, J-36 are not even required, let's circle back to this in 2060.

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Has there been any guestimates on the combat range of J-36 in stealth config?

The recent clash has proven that Pakistan doesn't need a heavy multi engine fighter for their relative lack of strategic depth. At max a J-35 class fighter but nothing larger. They should focus on single engine light and medium weight fighters, better GBAD and ground launched, long range strike munitions.

No need for J-20 or Kaan (or even the J-36 lmao)

I encourage everyone to actually read the post that Siege wrote in #3044

The last few pages is a comedy of errors starting from Tphuang's reply in #3053 where he came away with a partial impression about the PAF being able to fight like the way the PLAAF would fight with J-36 -- which is completely opposite to the intent to what Siege wrote.

The idea is not that the PAF's operations were equal or similar to how the PLAAF would fight with J-36 -- nor is the idea that the PAF would be able to operate J-36 at any point in the future at all, but rather that the way the PAF fought can be viewed as a more simple and less complex form of the conops the PLA have already developed today and will develop and further expand on for J-36 and the future.

Clearly people did not understand what Siege actually wrote, nor do people understand that small scale conflicts and serve as small scale, relatively unsophisticated proofs of concepts of the direction of future warfare.

Think about how the raid on Taranto was a small scale real world demonstration of carrier based aircraft against opposing surface ships that would translate to the future dominance of carrierborne aviation in naval warfare, or how the first aerial battles in rickety biplanes in WWI would come to shape the future of air superiority contests, or any number of other conflicts or battles with new concepts or technologies that were "seminal" but small scale and unsophisticated but served as viable demonstrations of proof of concepts that would come to shape the future of entire domains of warfare.


Posts about "Pakistan receiving XYZ" will be deleted.
I'm assuming people who see this are actually able to read, because everyone posting about "Pakistan receiving XYZ" in the last few pages have made me question their literacy.

Blitzo said:

The concept of operations that the PAF utilized would be a less sophisticated version of the sort of conops that J-36 is aiming to pursue, is what I think he means, and J-36 would further emphasize and consolidate and refine that conops much much further to the bleeding edge (emphasis on networking, EW, BVR, sensors, signature reduction, combat persistence)

The idea isn't that the PAF would be able to fight the way the PLAAF would fight with J-36, but rather than the way the PAF fought is a less complex and smaller scale demonstration of what J-36 is pushing for.

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I think what PAF utilized is a less sophisticated version of what PLAAF operates right now. I would think that once they have J-36, it involves to something newer. The level of control that J-36 would exert over surrounding aircraft (especially large drones) would be at a much higher level than currently you see between AWACS and fighter jet. If you make your command and control aircraft several magnitude more survivable, then that should pretty radically change how you fight.