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Top Biden Aide Speaks With Chinese Counterpart as Tensions Flare​

  • Discussion takes place ahead of Taiwan leader’s stops in US
  • Jake Sullivan held undisclosed call with Wang Yi on Friday

White House National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan spoke with China’s top diplomat Wang Yi on Friday, people familiar with the matter said, with relations between the world’s two largest economies severely strained.

Sullivan’s previously unreported call took place days before Taiwan’s President Tsai Ing-wen was scheduled to pass through the US en route to an official visit to Central America. In a sign of the fraught state of US-China ties, neither side opted to publicize the call between Sullivan and Wang.
Tsai’s stop in the US is the latest irritant. She’s expected to visit New York on March 29 and 30 and then stop in Los Angeles a week later. Such stopovers are normally routine but will draw new scrutiny given the strained state of US-China ties.
 

pmc

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I am pleased to see Brazil finally standing up.
Brazil always make things worse for itself. Brazil should not have voted on this resolution. Brazil prosperity depends on transforming its society and not this attention drawing approaches. both previous elections Brazil has swings between right and left that is not very conductive for business. it is a fundamentally euro centric country in a unnatural association in BRICS.
 

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KYli

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Tens of thousands were watched for sure, but only a small number were detain. My understanding was that most that got detained got suckered by fbi honeypots to make terrorist threats.
Weeks after 911, 1200 Muslims were detained. I don't know the total numbers of Muslims got detained during the War of Terrorism but it is more than a small number.
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Muslims, Blacks, "Mexicans", Native Americans, Gays,Trans, Jews are just looking at us and saying "WELCOME TO THE CLUB" Our rights will be infringed and we will live under authortarian rule as tension increases and murica copes, but to say we would be arbitrary detain in mass would be a bit much. The conflict would be near nuclear at that point and you wouldn't have to care much of anything else at that point.
What happened to those Chinese during the Chinese Exclusive Act. What happened to Japanese during the WW2? What happened to Native Americans during the forced removal of Native Americans. Never says never.

Maybe the Asian American here are "new" and had some weird dream of the US being the greatest but Asians had always had it hard growing up in the US until the golden years of 2000-2020. And Its always been crappy for the millions of asians living outside of the asian bubble metros.

The Chinese have always been willing to pick up and leave. So time to save $$ and do your research. As I said elsewhere, someone needs to get the Chinese govt to setup a way for repatriation.
I can go back to Hong Kong or China anytime I want. Chinese Americans could go to Hong Kong without visa. I am not too worried about seeking asylum. It is just that many Chinese Americans might find it difficult to leave the US even if things went from bad to worse as all of their life they live as being Americans and have everything invested in the US. During Indonesia or Vietnam anti-Chinese riots and massacres, China had taken in hundreds of thousands overseas Chinese and resettle them as farms in Fujian, Guangdong, Guangxi and Yunnan.

In the end of the day, as long as politicians don't go full retarded, we should be fine. However, most American politicians nowadays are as dumb and as stupid as you can get. Beside, we have MSM that is going out of its way to demonize Chinese in every shape and light. So we should always hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
 

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they are running out of money so getting reimburse to what ever they donating at maximum price. if Russia really want play 6D chess. It should collect expensive French made weopons like UAE Mirage 2000 and shuffle it through French government to get the maximum amount from EU fund. The thought of French collecting maximum amount from fund and Eastern EU pilots learning French fighters alone will be horror for Germany. Expensive French systems is the only way to quickly drain EU funds and they are hardly effective in current combat situation when Russian pilots really want air to air combat.

There was protest last month and now UAE went with partnership agreement. who knows there are bags of cash to keep things quiet.
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Mario Loyola, he was a defense policy adviser at the Pentagon and in the U.S. Senate in an article with an idea how to get the USA out of the Ukrainian quagmire. According to him, Ukrainian nationalists could have political independence or they could have full territorial integrity, but not, in the real world, both. A more homogeneously Ukrainian state would be more politically stable and could join the European Union and perhaps even NATO one day. And the Ukrainian territories, inhabited mostly by Russians, should be bought by Russia, perhaps with the frozen Russian reserves.

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“While the U.S. has many vital national interests,” Florida Governor Ron DeSantis wrote recently, “becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia is not one of them.”

How Ukraine Became Independent
The hard truth is this: Ukraine’s 1991 borders were partly a subterfuge of Soviet propaganda and did not fully make sense for an independent country alongside Russia. Containing large swaths of historical Russia, millions of ethnic Russians, and a crucial Russian naval base at Sevastopol on the Crimean Peninsula (which was transferred to Ukraine only in 1954 and is home to few ethnic Ukrainians even now), those borders actually guaranteed Russian hegemony in the short term. They’re why pro-Russia presidential candidates won almost every election in Ukraine from 1991 until the “Euromaidan” revolution of 2014. Indeed, Ukrainian-nationalist parties have ruled for the past decade partly because the electorate no longer includes residents of the Donbas or Crimea, the heavily Russian areas that either broke away or were seized by Russia after the pro-Russian government was deposed in 2014.

Hence, from Russia’s point of view, the commitments of 1991 and 1994 were mostly a formality, because Moscow expected Ukraine to remain firmly in its orbit. But those guarantees only kicked an explosive can down the road, because if a strong Ukrainian-nationalist movement should ever arise, as it has now, oriented toward Europe and bent on independence from Russia, the 1991 borders would create a fatal conflict between Ukraine’s nationhood and that of the Russians, many of whom view Ukraine—especially east of the Dnipro River—as an inseparable part of Russia.

Russia may be waging a war of aggression as a matter of law, but as a matter of history and strategy it is moving to forestall a grave deterioration in its strategic position, with stakes that are almost as existential for it as they are for Ukraine. And as former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said recently, “Nuclear powers have never lost major conflicts on which their fate depends.”

When the U.S. agreed to recognize Ukraine in 1991, it should have realized that Ukraine’s borders could prove enormously destabilizing, like the nuclear forces and Black Sea fleet that Ukraine had also accidentally inherited and which the U.S. wisely insisted be transferred to Russia in 1993–94.

The U.S. should have treated the 1991 borders as provisional and encouraged Russia and Ukraine to agree on a peaceful adjustment. As Ukrainian nationalism gathered strength, Russia could perhaps have been persuaded to agree to a territorial adjustment.

Governor DeSantis was right on another score: The proximate cause of the war was definitely a territorial dispute, but of a very special kind. After the Euromaidan revolution, Russia felt it had no choice but to annex Crimea, because it couldn’t risk losing Sevastopol. But it still did not annex the eastern Donbas, which it was also occupying, insisting instead on its reintegration into Ukraine under the terms of the Minsk Agreements of 2014 and 2015, which it saw as vitally necessary to restoring its control over the whole of Ukraine. For the same reason, Ukraine’s nationalists soured on the Minsk Agreements: With those territories in limbo, the nationalists had been able to achieve a degree of independence that would have been impossible otherwise.

America’s Blank Check
As tensions mounted in 2020 and 2021, Germany and France grew anxious to persuade Ukraine to implement the Minsk Agreements, in which all the major issues were territorial. But, with their customary professions of high moral and legal principle, the Americans undercut those diplomatic efforts, encouraging the Ukrainians to dig in their heels and dare Russia to do something about it. It was an implicit blank check and had the same effect as when the kaiser wrote one a century ago, namely to entice the recipient to risk a catastrophic war with Russia.

It is crucial to understand the dangerous role that America is playing. The sheer scale of U.S. aid to Ukraine has become a decisive factor in the course of the war. Don’t be deceived by President Joe Biden’s claims that we are helping Ukraine without getting involved in the conflict ourselves. Even according to the Defense Department’s own Law of War Manual, the U.S. is already a de facto belligerent in the Ukraine war.

The lack of strategy behind the deluge of American missiles and tanks flowing into Ukraine is frightening. The U.S. is giving Ukraine enough aid to prevent a Russian victory, but the stated aim of liberating all of Ukraine’s territory, “as long as it takes,” isn’t remotely plausible and is contradicted by other aspects of U.S. policy. This is not the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, where the Soviets could afford to cut their losses. Even a return to the status quo ante of January 2022 would likely be unacceptable to the Russians. The Russians are almost certainly prepared to lose—and kill—millions of people before giving up the territory they have now. And because the U.S. has thus far insisted that the weapons donated to Ukraine not be used inside Russia, U.S. strategy is currently optimized for making the war last as long as possible without a decisive result.

What’s more, even if Ukraine’s war aims could be achieved, what would Ukraine do then? It could either reintegrate the Russian populations and risk once again becoming a Russian puppet, or disenfranchise them through repression or wholesale expulsion, which, besides violating international humanitarian law, would likely trigger another war. Hence, Ukraine’s stated war aim—the complete liberation of its 1991 territory—might not even be desirable from Ukraine’s point of view.

America’s Vital Interests
The overriding priority of U.S. foreign policy in the century ahead will be to tame the rising power of China. DeSantis’s observation that “the Biden administration’s policies have driven Russia into a de facto alliance with China” is a crucial one. One might add that U.S. policy is accomplishing that quite against Moscow’s will, because a brief glance at the map suffices to see that China’s increasing control over its “near abroad” puts it on a collision course with Russia along a roughly 6,000-mile front, if you include buffer states. In the century ahead, Russia’s only alternative to domination by China is very likely an alliance with the United States, and that is an alliance the U.S. cannot afford to forfeit. Allowing Russia to slip into China’s orbit would bring Chinese power into the very heart of Europe.

Ending the War
Before Woodrow Wilson left his dubious stamp on international relations, wars typically ended in peace treaties. Many of those treaties involved territorial settlements, reparations, and other inducements to stop fighting.

The most important part of DeSantis’s comments signaled a similar approach: “Without question, peace should be the objective.”

Peace should be the overriding objective now, but it will require a willingness to compromise. As the great Cold War game theorist Thomas Schelling observed, parties to a conflict are always negotiating, even if tacitly. If we get beyond their maximalist positions to what each side really needs, a compromise may be possible.

The 1991 borders created a painful dilemma for Ukrainian nationalists. They could have political independence or they could have full territorial integrity, but not, in the real world, both. In the years since the rupture of 2014, Kyiv has tacitly chosen political independence over territory. Russia is facing the mirror image of that dilemma. Putin wants Ukraine to cede the territory Russia now occupies, and to pledge that it will stay out of NATO. Russia must know that it can’t have both of those things while NATO is backing Ukraine. By “annexing” Crimea and now Donbas, it has tacitly chosen territory over political control.

That should help us see the outlines of a durable peace through the fog and din of war. The U.S. should encourage Ukraine to sell the Russians the territory they now occupy in exchange for a large sum that includes reparations. Many wars have been honorably settled that way. A more homogeneously Ukrainian state would be more politically stable and could join the European Union and perhaps even NATO one day.

If Russia declares a cease-fire, the Biden administration will face the decision toward which its policy has been driving it all along: whether to break its promises to Ukraine or dramatically escalate U.S. involvement. The first would gravely damage American prestige and embolden China, while the second would almost certainly lead to a nuclear showdown. Both horns of that dilemma carry totally unacceptable risks, which is why the United States should never have gotten involved in this war to begin with.

A little realism can make idealism go a long way.
 
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